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I didn't have the vaccine for the greater good. I had it because, for me, the risk vs reward balance was tilted that way. I have high blood pressure and I'm bor

I didn't have the vaccine for the greater good. I had it because, for me, the risk vs reward balance was tilted that way. I have high blood pressure and I'm borderline diabetic. Not much of a choice for me. Why would someone that is healthy risk ending up like that dead BBC presenter and leave their family behind for complete strangers? Who gives you(or anyone) the right to decide what risks they should take and that their lives are worth less than anyone elses? My mother is healthy even though she's almost 70 and she didn't have it. It's her choice. My wife didn't have it.It's her choice. Then again, she's in perfect health and 30 so for her the risks are next to none. Small sacrifice? How about lock down the "vulnerable" like me(or worse) then and not screw up everyone else?

Aeolun 5y ago
The chances of ending up dead from COVID is higher than the chance of dying from the vaccine for basically everyone right? Even if you’re in your 30’s and in perfect health. I absolutely agree that I’d much rather die from COVID than from the vaccine that is supposed to save me. But logically speaking, choosing to not take the vaccine doesn’t make any kind of sense. It’s like choosing to drive a car because you might get hit by lightning if you take a walk.
- jowsie 5y ago
  >The chances of ending up dead from COVID is higher than the chance of dying from the vaccine for basically everyone right? Your chances of catching COVID aren't 100%, your chances of getting vaccinated are if you choose to do so. >It’s like choosing to drive a car because you might get hit by lightning if you take a walk. This argument also works in reverse. note: I'm double vaccinated and urge others to vaccinate if they are medically able to do so.
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  - Aeolun 5y ago
    > Your chances of catching COVID aren't 100%, your chances of getting vaccinated are if you choose to do so. Well, yes. Obviously we’re taking that into account when determining absolute chance to die from a certain thing. > This argument also works in reverse. It’s like choosing to take a walk (and risk getting hit by lightning, very very low chance) because you might get in a car accident if you drive a car (relatively high chance)? Not sure I follow. Inverting it makes it reasonable.
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  It is comparable to the right to refuse treatment, which is in many jurisdictions considered to be a basic civil right.
nilkn 5y ago
There are entire subreddits dedicated just to trying to keep up with stories of vocally unvaccinated people dying awful and scary deaths from COVID. These incidents are so common it's impossible to keep track of all of them -- 1k deaths a day in just the US, virtually all of which are unvaccinated. If what you're saying is true and the vaccine itself is even more dangerous, the internet should be overflowing with countlesss stories of thousands of vaccine-induced deaths every single day. Instead, it's overflowing with stories of folks like your mother dying after spending weeks in complete agony not able to breathe on their own.
- White_Wolf 5y ago
  Tbh the whole reason I actually had the shots was because it would increase my chances of survival but that is not my point. I'm not saying the vaccine is good or bad. What I am saying is: As long as it's not 100% safe people shouldn't be forced to have it (or coerced by any means). Neither you or anyone else has the right to force(or coerce by limiting their freedoms) anyone to do anything that has even a 0,00000001 change of being detrimental to them. It's their life, their body, their choice. If the excuse if to "protect the vulnerable" then lockdown people like me that are considered vulnerable and leave the healthy ones alone to mind their lives. I am aware that I'm at risk and it's my choice how I deal with it. What give anyone the right to make the decision for me? If my mother chose not to have it... All I can and will do is respect her call. At the end of the day she paid for the priviledge to end up in a hospital bed if that is her choice. Her tax money at work. It's as simple as that.

Aeolun 5y ago

The chances of ending up dead from COVID is higher than the chance of dying from the vaccine for basically everyone right? Even if you’re in your 30’s and in perfect health. I absolutely agree that I’d much rather die from COVID than from the vaccine that is supposed to save me. But logically speaking, choosing to not take the vaccine doesn’t make any kind of sense. It’s like choosing to drive a car because you might get hit by lightning if you take a walk.

jowsie 5y ago
>The chances of ending up dead from COVID is higher than the chance of dying from the vaccine for basically everyone right? Your chances of catching COVID aren't 100%, your chances of getting vaccinated are if you choose to do so. >It’s like choosing to drive a car because you might get hit by lightning if you take a walk. This argument also works in reverse. note: I'm double vaccinated and urge others to vaccinate if they are medically able to do so.
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- Aeolun 5y ago
  > Your chances of catching COVID aren't 100%, your chances of getting vaccinated are if you choose to do so. Well, yes. Obviously we’re taking that into account when determining absolute chance to die from a certain thing. > This argument also works in reverse. It’s like choosing to take a walk (and risk getting hit by lightning, very very low chance) because you might get in a car accident if you drive a car (relatively high chance)? Not sure I follow. Inverting it makes it reasonable.
tinus_hn 5y ago
It is comparable to the right to refuse treatment, which is in many jurisdictions considered to be a basic civil right.

nilkn 5y ago

There are entire subreddits dedicated just to trying to keep up with stories of vocally unvaccinated people dying awful and scary deaths from COVID. These incidents are so common it's impossible to keep track of all of them -- 1k deaths a day in just the US, virtually all of which are unvaccinated. If what you're saying is true and the vaccine itself is even more dangerous, the internet should be overflowing with countlesss stories of thousands of vaccine-induced deaths every single day. Instead, it's overflowing with stories of folks like your mother dying after spending weeks in complete agony not able to breathe on their own.

White_Wolf 5y ago
Tbh the whole reason I actually had the shots was because it would increase my chances of survival but that is not my point. I'm not saying the vaccine is good or bad. What I am saying is: As long as it's not 100% safe people shouldn't be forced to have it (or coerced by any means). Neither you or anyone else has the right to force(or coerce by limiting their freedoms) anyone to do anything that has even a 0,00000001 change of being detrimental to them. It's their life, their body, their choice. If the excuse if to "protect the vulnerable" then lockdown people like me that are considered vulnerable and leave the healthy ones alone to mind their lives. I am aware that I'm at risk and it's my choice how I deal with it. What give anyone the right to make the decision for me? If my mother chose not to have it... All I can and will do is respect her call. At the end of the day she paid for the priviledge to end up in a hospital bed if that is her choice. Her tax money at work. It's as simple as that.