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One who understands that those “informed” strangers are making a decision that puts others at risk. Frankly, I do not understand why someone who presumably unde
by periphrasis 5y ago
One who understands that those “informed” strangers are making a decision that puts others at risk. Frankly, I do not understand why someone who presumably understands why second hand smoking and drunk driving are bad cannot transfer the same logic to being unvaccinated in the midst of a deadly and contagious plague.
- ghoward 5y agoContagious? Yes. Deadly? Not really, especially for a novel virus. That's the difference. If we had a plague as bad as the Black Death, then yes, it would be deadly. People will use the death numbers as counter-arguments, yet most deaths (94%-ish last I heard) are from people who had comorbidities, like obesity and such. Until there is the same logic being applied to obese people as to the unvaccinated, as well as counting previous infections, especially for healthcare workers, I personally will not apply the same logic of smoking and drunk driving either.
- periphrasis 5y agoObese people do not directly affect your health. I get that you’re trolling and don’t really believe what you say, but at least show some creativity here, rather than repeating nostrums that grew tired 250k dead ago.
- ghoward 5y agoYou are right that obese people do not directly affect my health. Neither does my vaccination status directly affect yours because vaccinated people spread the virus too. Obese people do affect my health if they take a hospital bed that I could have used when I need it. Isn't that one of the same arguments applied to the unvaccinated? If we didn't have so many obese people, would the hospitals be overloaded? Would we have a shortage of healthcare workers? I am repeating them because repeating works. See the Parable of the Widow and the Unjust Judge. It is also what the others are doing, by repeating the same "tired" lines over and over about how the unvaccinated are killing grandmas. By the way, I'm not trolling. I'm serious. HN guidelines ask that you assume good faith.
- periphrasis 5y agoIf you say so. Good luck on winning the Darwin Award: looks like you’re a strong competitor.
- ghoward 5y agoNope, I'm not obese. I exercise everyday and eat right. I am a very bad competitor for it, especially since the survivability of COVID is so high. I may not even be eligible; I'd have to check. I don't know what to tell you if I look like a good competitor to you.
- periphrasis 5y agoLike I said a troll. Or willfully blind. Yeah, your odds are good. But your odds would be much better if you could put your big boy pants on and get a shot without a tantrum. And if your number is up, you can be proud of not being fat right up to the moment you’re intubated.
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- q1w2 5y ago> Deadly? Not really, The Delta variant has a case fatality rate in the US of 0.1% for the general population, and 2% for those over 50. That's not nothing. There are a LOT of people over 50 in a hospital.
- nradov 5y agoCase fatality rates are meaningless because the majority of infections are never counted as official "cases". The CDC estimates the fatality rates at 0.6% for the general population. Vaccination cuts that fatality risk way down. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd... There is no reliable evidence of a higher IFR for the Delta variant.
- op00to 5y agoNow do people who live but whose bodies are destroyed by the virus.
- Huwyt_Nashi_068 5y agoFrankly I do not understand why someone who believes the vaccine is effective should have any cause for concern over another's vaccination status.