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The word "prove" used to also encompass the meaning of "challenge" or "put to the test". It still retains that archaic meaning in the phrase you mentioned and

The word "prove" used to also encompass the meaning of "challenge" or "put to the test". It still retains that archaic meaning in the phrase you mentioned and terms like "proving grounds". Edit: And like so many other proverbs like "A few bad apples", "Blood is thicker than water", "Carpe diem", "The exception proves the rule" means exactly the opposite of what most people think it does.

6502nerdface 5y ago
Also "proof reading" and "100 proof whisky".
- addaon 5y ago
  And proofing dough.
IggleSniggle 5y ago
In the case of “blood is thicker than water,” unfortunately, the more historically common understanding is also its most common understanding today, and has been for so many centuries that we dont actually know if it originated with its original meaning or it’s inverse. I’m bringing this up because, for many years, I was one of the folk who spread the idea that it actually was supposed to mean “the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.” But there’s no strong historical basis for this, lovely as the idea may be. — As for the “bad apple” one, I didn’t realize that it was commonly misunderstood. I always felt like someone mentioning that someone was “a bad apple” was an almost violent accusation: the person needed to be extricated from the group, less the group become infected by their corruption. I am now trying to think back to times when I’ve heard this one used and wondering if I misunderstood the intent.
Dylan16807 5y ago
> The word "prove" used to also encompass the meaning of "challenge" or "put to the test". Yes but "There is little evidence of the phrase being used in this second way.", citations located at wikipedia. So I think it makes more sense to go with the interpretation of "if someone lists an exception, then that's proof of a more general rule that it's an exception from". But with that use, something specifically has to be an exception. Anyone applying "exception proves the rule" to an anecdote is using it wrong.

6502nerdface 5y ago

Also "proof reading" and "100 proof whisky".

addaon 5y ago
And proofing dough.

IggleSniggle 5y ago

In the case of “blood is thicker than water,” unfortunately, the more historically common understanding is also its most common understanding today, and has been for so many centuries that we dont actually know if it originated with its original meaning or it’s inverse. I’m bringing this up because, for many years, I was one of the folk who spread the idea that it actually was supposed to mean “the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.” But there’s no strong historical basis for this, lovely as the idea may be. — As for the “bad apple” one, I didn’t realize that it was commonly misunderstood. I always felt like someone mentioning that someone was “a bad apple” was an almost violent accusation: the person needed to be extricated from the group, less the group become infected by their corruption. I am now trying to think back to times when I’ve heard this one used and wondering if I misunderstood the intent.

Dylan16807 5y ago

> The word "prove" used to also encompass the meaning of "challenge" or "put to the test". Yes but "There is little evidence of the phrase being used in this second way.", citations located at wikipedia. So I think it makes more sense to go with the interpretation of "if someone lists an exception, then that's proof of a more general rule that it's an exception from". But with that use, something specifically has to be an exception. Anyone applying "exception proves the rule" to an anecdote is using it wrong.