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Groups like this are very important to have around for the rest of us to periodically recalibrate our bull@#$% detectors against. That people whose professiona

Groups like this are very important to have around for the rest of us to periodically recalibrate our bull@#$% detectors against. That people whose professional reputation and livelihood it is to keep well-calibrated fell for this, is leagues more dangerous than these jokesters themselves. Sad!

tyingq 5y ago
They should amp it up into an automated gullibility meter for news outlets and journalists.
- deleted 5y ago
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- refenestrator 5y ago
  They can go meta, and have all the links to justify their ratings be fake bs. Maybe the occasional rickroll.
deelowe 5y ago
Same sort of bs is happening with the horse paste stuff now. The story about hospitals being overrun due to people oding were wildly inaccurate at best. Whatever fits the narrative I guess…
- msrenee 5y ago
  Horse paste? It's not you specifically, but you're not the first person I've seen recently who has referred to it and didn't appear to understand what the substance is. Someone I know called it a "horse tranquilizer" in a conversation the other day. It's Ivermectin. It's a dewormer. It shows some promise, but more research is needed into its efficacy. Anyone who has a baseline knowledge of medicine would call it a dewormer. It's pretty much the standard one. I feel like the fact that so many people don't have a mental compartment for a basic medical term like that nowadays really has a lot to do with how much trouble we've had controlling this virus. Of course an mRNA vaccine is scary to someone who doesn't know what mRNA is. We're never going to escape this cycle without better science education.
  - thebooktocome 5y ago
    Horse paste is an intentionally derogatory term for it. It's not meant to be scientifically accurate.
    - rualca 5y ago
      > Horse paste is an intentionally derogatory term for it. It's not meant to be scientifically accurate. "Horse dewormer" is as accurate as it can possibly be. It is also used extensively as a cow dewormer and pet dewormer. People are going to veterinarian and pet shops to buy paste sold to deworm horses and cows to take it themselves. They are not taking drugs produced for human consumption. They are going with the animal products designed and sold to give to animals. https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/more-people-are-poisoning-themselves-with-horse-deworming-drug-to-thwart-covid/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/more-people-are-pois...
      - actually_a_dog 5y ago
        It's a dewormer for horses that literally comes in paste form: https://archive.is/k2JUb https://archive.is/k2JUb
        macinjosh 5y ago
        It is also used to treat rosacea and other ailments in _humans_. Calling it a dewormer in this context is a lie of omission.
        yarskegg 5y ago
        Let me put it to you this way. Everyone knows that salicylic acid (originally derived from willow bark) is a precursor to aspirin that is effective as a pain killer, fever reducer, and anti-inflammatory. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salicylic_acid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salicylic_acid and https://www.ehs.com/2015/07/salicylic-acid-safety-tips-hazards/ https://www.ehs.com/2015/07/salicylic-acid-safety-tips-hazar... But salicylic acid is also used in skin care products like wart remover. Here's a wart remover product for dogs and horses, which contains salicylic acid as an active ingredient: https://www.chewy.com/creative-science-wartsoff-wart-dog/dp/260130?utm_source=google-product&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=hg&utm_content=Creative%20Science&utm_term=&gclid=CjwKCAjwp_GJBhBmEiwALWBQk6RruhdyAEIFTvTHWgbhL_yB707K5jU1A3cgOklGvYDqtapIeX9LfhoCkIMQAvD_BwE https://www.chewy.com/creative-science-wartsoff-wart-dog/dp/... If, the next time you have a fever, you reach for the dog/horse wart remover... I'm gonna call that "dog wart remover" regardless of the fact that it contains an ingredient that is used to treat fevers in _humans_
sangnoir 5y ago
Counterpoint: "Doing it for the lulz" can still observerbly result in radicalization. Tangentally, Poe's law applies to online communities where the original group is satirical, but gradually accretes people who take it very seriously. IIRC, there was a subreddit that started as trolling/satire, and later on became the real hateful thing, and after many years of popularity, was subsequently banned after being featured in the national press.
- pixl97 5y ago
  CGP Grey's this video will make you angry in practice.
watwut 5y ago
The jokesters cause damage by radicalism people on both sides simultaneously. And what is required to prevent it is every single journal to not fall for it. And all it takes in one journal to fall for it.
caeril 5y ago
> That people whose professional reputation and livelihood it is to keep well-calibrated fell for this No, their professional livelihood is predicated specifically on the opposite: to lie to the public, but to do so convincingly. Falling for anything that fits their narrative is par for the course, since discovering and reporting truth is literally the opposite of their mandate. Journalism is a profession filled by people who would push their own mother down a flight of stairs to earn a "Pulitzer Prize", a prize that is literally named after one of the most dishonest propagandists whose lies are directly responsible for the Spanish-American War and the fate of millions of Cubans for a century after. These are people PROUD to win something named after this scumbag. They CRAVE it. This small fact is all you need to know about the character of the kind of people who choose to work in this "profession". Imagine investment bankers scrambling over each other to win a coveted "Ponzi Award", or pastors working to earn a "Payne Award"

tyingq 5y ago

They should amp it up into an automated gullibility meter for news outlets and journalists.

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refenestrator 5y ago
They can go meta, and have all the links to justify their ratings be fake bs. Maybe the occasional rickroll.

deelowe 5y ago

Same sort of bs is happening with the horse paste stuff now. The story about hospitals being overrun due to people oding were wildly inaccurate at best. Whatever fits the narrative I guess…

msrenee 5y ago
Horse paste? It's not you specifically, but you're not the first person I've seen recently who has referred to it and didn't appear to understand what the substance is. Someone I know called it a "horse tranquilizer" in a conversation the other day. It's Ivermectin. It's a dewormer. It shows some promise, but more research is needed into its efficacy. Anyone who has a baseline knowledge of medicine would call it a dewormer. It's pretty much the standard one. I feel like the fact that so many people don't have a mental compartment for a basic medical term like that nowadays really has a lot to do with how much trouble we've had controlling this virus. Of course an mRNA vaccine is scary to someone who doesn't know what mRNA is. We're never going to escape this cycle without better science education.
- thebooktocome 5y ago
  Horse paste is an intentionally derogatory term for it. It's not meant to be scientifically accurate.
  - rualca 5y ago
    > Horse paste is an intentionally derogatory term for it. It's not meant to be scientifically accurate. "Horse dewormer" is as accurate as it can possibly be. It is also used extensively as a cow dewormer and pet dewormer. People are going to veterinarian and pet shops to buy paste sold to deworm horses and cows to take it themselves. They are not taking drugs produced for human consumption. They are going with the animal products designed and sold to give to animals. https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/more-people-are-poisoning-themselves-with-horse-deworming-drug-to-thwart-covid/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/more-people-are-pois...
    - actually_a_dog 5y ago
      It's a dewormer for horses that literally comes in paste form: https://archive.is/k2JUb https://archive.is/k2JUb
      - macinjosh 5y ago
        It is also used to treat rosacea and other ailments in _humans_. Calling it a dewormer in this context is a lie of omission.
        yarskegg 5y ago
        Let me put it to you this way. Everyone knows that salicylic acid (originally derived from willow bark) is a precursor to aspirin that is effective as a pain killer, fever reducer, and anti-inflammatory. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salicylic_acid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salicylic_acid and https://www.ehs.com/2015/07/salicylic-acid-safety-tips-hazards/ https://www.ehs.com/2015/07/salicylic-acid-safety-tips-hazar... But salicylic acid is also used in skin care products like wart remover. Here's a wart remover product for dogs and horses, which contains salicylic acid as an active ingredient: https://www.chewy.com/creative-science-wartsoff-wart-dog/dp/260130?utm_source=google-product&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=hg&utm_content=Creative%20Science&utm_term=&gclid=CjwKCAjwp_GJBhBmEiwALWBQk6RruhdyAEIFTvTHWgbhL_yB707K5jU1A3cgOklGvYDqtapIeX9LfhoCkIMQAvD_BwE https://www.chewy.com/creative-science-wartsoff-wart-dog/dp/... If, the next time you have a fever, you reach for the dog/horse wart remover... I'm gonna call that "dog wart remover" regardless of the fact that it contains an ingredient that is used to treat fevers in _humans_

sangnoir 5y ago

Counterpoint: "Doing it for the lulz" can still observerbly result in radicalization. Tangentally, Poe's law applies to online communities where the original group is satirical, but gradually accretes people who take it very seriously. IIRC, there was a subreddit that started as trolling/satire, and later on became the real hateful thing, and after many years of popularity, was subsequently banned after being featured in the national press.

pixl97 5y ago
CGP Grey's this video will make you angry in practice.

watwut 5y ago

The jokesters cause damage by radicalism people on both sides simultaneously. And what is required to prevent it is every single journal to not fall for it. And all it takes in one journal to fall for it.

caeril 5y ago

> That people whose professional reputation and livelihood it is to keep well-calibrated fell for this No, their professional livelihood is predicated specifically on the opposite: to lie to the public, but to do so convincingly. Falling for anything that fits their narrative is par for the course, since discovering and reporting truth is literally the opposite of their mandate. Journalism is a profession filled by people who would push their own mother down a flight of stairs to earn a "Pulitzer Prize", a prize that is literally named after one of the most dishonest propagandists whose lies are directly responsible for the Spanish-American War and the fate of millions of Cubans for a century after. These are people PROUD to win something named after this scumbag. They CRAVE it. This small fact is all you need to know about the character of the kind of people who choose to work in this "profession". Imagine investment bankers scrambling over each other to win a coveted "Ponzi Award", or pastors working to earn a "Payne Award"