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I am not anti-vax, but I STRONGLY oppose this vaccine mandate. Looking at the CDC data here: (https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex-and-A

I am not anti-vax, but I STRONGLY oppose this vaccine mandate. Looking at the CDC data here: (https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex-and-Age/9bhg-hcku https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex...) there have been 3,043 covid deaths in the 18-29 year range out of 103,738 total deaths in that same age range. I'm 29 and in good health. I know I'm much more likely to die from activities I enjoy like rock climbing, farm work, skydiving, driving my car, but I don't wan't my employer mandating I can't do those things. I have weighed the risks. I want to get covid eventually if I haven't already for better protection against future variants that could have worse survival rates for my age range (https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on...) If I were older, I would choose to get the vaccine. Also, people will say that I'm going to spread it to others. Well the CDC states that "preliminary evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people who do become infected with the delta variant can spread the virus to others" and recommends they wear masks! (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vac...) I suspect that if I get covid and quarantine, I'll be less likely to spread the delta variant than someone who is vaccinated after I recover (people who have had been vaccinated are 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with covid according to the science.org article I linked above)

kbos87 5y ago
There are so many conveniently chosen facts and holes in your argument that I don’t even know where to begin. The CDC dataset you cite above only reflects death, not the serious illness and disability ~30% of people end up with. Yes, vaccinated individuals can spread COVID, but this is dramatically less likely if you are vaccinated. You assume you’ll be less likely to spread delta because you’ll quarantine, but you ignore the fact that much of the transmission we see is from asymptomatic spread, before people even know they are sick. All of the mental gymnastics, for what? Getting vaccinated is barely even an inconvenience and we have real proof from hundreds of millions of doses that it’s safe and effective. The selfishness and unwillingness to cooperate for the greater good is mind blowing.
- Hunter235711 5y ago
  Vaccinated individuals are less likely to spread delta than unvaccinated people who have never been infected, but what about those who have recovered? The fact that they are 13 times less likely to be infected with delta makes me think natural immunity is better for variants. There have already been several covid variants this year. I would rather be contagious for a few days once than every time a new variant comes around. I'm definitely not declining the vaccine because it is inconvenient, I have really thought this through, and my doctor agrees with me. It isn't because I'm just being "selfish and unwilling to cooperate".
- Madmallard 5y ago
  Show the evidence that young adults are getting severe long term effects 30% of the time from covid.
  - kbos87 5y ago
    I didn’t say young adults, though there is mounting evidence that even children can and do suffer from long term effects. For anyone who doubts the prevalence of long COVID, it isn’t hard to find the growing pile of credible research - The University to Arizona study is recent, and while it wasn’t an age specific study they cite 67% of people having symptoms after 30 days - https://news.arizona.edu/story/many-mild-covid-19-infections-experience-long-term-symptoms https://news.arizona.edu/story/many-mild-covid-19-infections... Chest CTs are abnormal in 75% of asymptomatic(!) COVID diagnosed individuals - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7846889/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7846889/ This is a year old, but for 18-34 year olds it cites 1 in 5 hadn’t returned to their usual state of health 2-3 weeks out… https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm?s_cid=mm6930e1_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm?s_cid=mm...
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  Who cares about covid spread? We have vaccines that protect you and anybody who takes them. Covid spread doesn't matter. It's here forever. Not going away. If you get your shot, you are done. Stop worrying about the vaccination status or mask-wearing status of others. You are gonna get covid either way. But at least you won't have a chance of being hospitalized or dying. Covid is here forever. We need to switch our messaging to learning to live with that and moving on with our lives. All this crap does is keep everybody living in fear and dividing us even more. End it!
piva00 5y ago
It's not about you dying. It's about you catching it, passing it to someone who might need to be hospitalised and fucking up the whole healthcare system. Stop thinking with your ego.
- unanswered 5y ago
  The vaccine does not stop you from catching the virus and spreading it. This has been settled science for months and months. Stop spreading disinformation.
ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
>if I get covid and quarantine how will you know you've been EXPOSED? will you indeed quarantine yourself per CDC recommendations if you find out you have been exposed? how will you know you've been INFECTED? will you indeed ISOLATE yourself per CDC recommendations if you find out you have been infected?
zaptrem 5y ago
Saying “I’m not anti-vax” before parroting every anti-vax talking point and admitting you’re not vaccinated doesn’t make you any less of an anti-vaxxer.

kbos87 5y ago

There are so many conveniently chosen facts and holes in your argument that I don’t even know where to begin. The CDC dataset you cite above only reflects death, not the serious illness and disability ~30% of people end up with. Yes, vaccinated individuals can spread COVID, but this is dramatically less likely if you are vaccinated. You assume you’ll be less likely to spread delta because you’ll quarantine, but you ignore the fact that much of the transmission we see is from asymptomatic spread, before people even know they are sick. All of the mental gymnastics, for what? Getting vaccinated is barely even an inconvenience and we have real proof from hundreds of millions of doses that it’s safe and effective. The selfishness and unwillingness to cooperate for the greater good is mind blowing.

Hunter235711 5y ago
Vaccinated individuals are less likely to spread delta than unvaccinated people who have never been infected, but what about those who have recovered? The fact that they are 13 times less likely to be infected with delta makes me think natural immunity is better for variants. There have already been several covid variants this year. I would rather be contagious for a few days once than every time a new variant comes around. I'm definitely not declining the vaccine because it is inconvenient, I have really thought this through, and my doctor agrees with me. It isn't because I'm just being "selfish and unwilling to cooperate".
Madmallard 5y ago
Show the evidence that young adults are getting severe long term effects 30% of the time from covid.
- kbos87 5y ago
  I didn’t say young adults, though there is mounting evidence that even children can and do suffer from long term effects. For anyone who doubts the prevalence of long COVID, it isn’t hard to find the growing pile of credible research - The University to Arizona study is recent, and while it wasn’t an age specific study they cite 67% of people having symptoms after 30 days - https://news.arizona.edu/story/many-mild-covid-19-infections-experience-long-term-symptoms https://news.arizona.edu/story/many-mild-covid-19-infections... Chest CTs are abnormal in 75% of asymptomatic(!) COVID diagnosed individuals - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7846889/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7846889/ This is a year old, but for 18-34 year olds it cites 1 in 5 hadn’t returned to their usual state of health 2-3 weeks out… https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm?s_cid=mm6930e1_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm?s_cid=mm...
spookthesunset 5y ago
Who cares about covid spread? We have vaccines that protect you and anybody who takes them. Covid spread doesn't matter. It's here forever. Not going away. If you get your shot, you are done. Stop worrying about the vaccination status or mask-wearing status of others. You are gonna get covid either way. But at least you won't have a chance of being hospitalized or dying. Covid is here forever. We need to switch our messaging to learning to live with that and moving on with our lives. All this crap does is keep everybody living in fear and dividing us even more. End it!

piva00 5y ago

It's not about you dying. It's about you catching it, passing it to someone who might need to be hospitalised and fucking up the whole healthcare system. Stop thinking with your ego.

unanswered 5y ago
The vaccine does not stop you from catching the virus and spreading it. This has been settled science for months and months. Stop spreading disinformation.

ImPostingOnHN 5y ago

>if I get covid and quarantine how will you know you've been EXPOSED? will you indeed quarantine yourself per CDC recommendations if you find out you have been exposed? how will you know you've been INFECTED? will you indeed ISOLATE yourself per CDC recommendations if you find out you have been infected?

zaptrem 5y ago

Saying “I’m not anti-vax” before parroting every anti-vax talking point and admitting you’re not vaccinated doesn’t make you any less of an anti-vaxxer.