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except it's not really since you can kill other people if you're not vaccinated.

by colinmhayes 5y ago

unanswered 5y ago
On the contrary it's the vaccinated people who are sick but don't know that they're sick who are spreading the virus.
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  Mostly to people that are unvaccinated... If 90% of people were vaccinated r would be less than 1 and there would be no spread.
  - unanswered 5y ago
    "no spread" is R=0. Vaccinated people are spreading it to vaccinated people as well as unvaccinated. Assuming that vaccinated people don't know that they get it we have essentially created a big cesspool for the virus to spread undetected. Luckily that's a bad assumption because the vaccines are so bad that they aren't even protecting people from getting very ill.
    - colinmhayes 5y ago
      > "no spread" is R=0. If R<1 the number of infected people continually decreases until there are no cases. This is also why it's important for the US to provide other countries with vaccines.
      - unanswered 5y ago
        Okay, but you claimed that "there would be no spread". But that is not true for 0 < R < 1. Can you just admit you misspoke instead of arguing a pointless point?
        colinmhayes 5y ago
        I didn't say there would immediately be no spread. It is true that if there are no cases there is no spread. It's not like it would take very long...
  - nullc 5y ago
    The FDA application for boosters claims that efficacy against transmission for delta for persons vaccinated when the vaccine became generally available is now 42%. That isn't enough to drop Reff below 1 even with 100% vaccination-- in fact, it leaves delta with an Reff higher than the original L strain had absent vaccination.
spookthesunset 5y ago
> except it's not really since you can kill other people if you're not vaccinated. Not if they are vaccinated. I don't understand why vaccinated people give a hoot about the vaccination status of others. Vaccinations protect them from severe covid issues. Everybody is gonna get covid. We knew this all the way back in march of 2020.
dmitrygr 5y ago
Yup. And as a sane person I understand that and long since took appropriate actions. And that is my own damn business and I owe you no explanations or medical records!

except it's not really since you can kill other people if you're not vaccinated.

unanswered 5y ago

On the contrary it's the vaccinated people who are sick but don't know that they're sick who are spreading the virus.

colinmhayes 5y ago
Mostly to people that are unvaccinated... If 90% of people were vaccinated r would be less than 1 and there would be no spread.
- unanswered 5y ago
  "no spread" is R=0. Vaccinated people are spreading it to vaccinated people as well as unvaccinated. Assuming that vaccinated people don't know that they get it we have essentially created a big cesspool for the virus to spread undetected. Luckily that's a bad assumption because the vaccines are so bad that they aren't even protecting people from getting very ill.
  - colinmhayes 5y ago
    > "no spread" is R=0. If R<1 the number of infected people continually decreases until there are no cases. This is also why it's important for the US to provide other countries with vaccines.
    - unanswered 5y ago
      Okay, but you claimed that "there would be no spread". But that is not true for 0 < R < 1. Can you just admit you misspoke instead of arguing a pointless point?
      - colinmhayes 5y ago
        I didn't say there would immediately be no spread. It is true that if there are no cases there is no spread. It's not like it would take very long...
- nullc 5y ago
  The FDA application for boosters claims that efficacy against transmission for delta for persons vaccinated when the vaccine became generally available is now 42%. That isn't enough to drop Reff below 1 even with 100% vaccination-- in fact, it leaves delta with an Reff higher than the original L strain had absent vaccination.

spookthesunset 5y ago

> except it's not really since you can kill other people if you're not vaccinated. Not if they are vaccinated. I don't understand why vaccinated people give a hoot about the vaccination status of others. Vaccinations protect them from severe covid issues. Everybody is gonna get covid. We knew this all the way back in march of 2020.

dmitrygr 5y ago

Yup. And as a sane person I understand that and long since took appropriate actions. And that is my own damn business and I owe you no explanations or medical records!