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Who cares what it was / wasn't part of. The majority of people in HK don't want to be part of China. That's all that matters. > We Chinese eventually will get

Who cares what it was / wasn't part of. The majority of people in HK don't want to be part of China. That's all that matters. > We Chinese eventually will get rid of CCP, but we don't want the great nation get split. Dude, what? HK hasn't been part of China for years. What possible justification could you have for re-integrating it. This isn't about preventing a split, this is about undoing a split, and destroying a democracy in the process. For someone who is anti-CCP, you don't seem to empathize with the people in HK who tasted democracy and have had it ripped away.

tluyben2 5y ago
> Who cares what it was / wasn't part of You can wipe it away like that, but it is the entire point of Chinese leadership since a long time, even opposing parties, that what once was China will be China again. So the 'who cares' is the vital point in why they are doing this; they care very much, not about the pieces of land or the people, but just the simple fact that they consider it China because it was taken from them (and they always said they will get it back) no matter who say they own it now (Taiwan is not uniformly recognised as a state). And I believe many (majority?) on the mainland agree with this, even if they don't agree with the CCP.
krageon 5y ago
> HK hasn't been part of China for years HK was always a part of China, just under specific rules.
justicezyx 5y ago
> The majority of people in HK don't want to be part of China. Where is your evidence? I have friends live and working in HK. Certainly the silent majority doesn't care much. Like any normal people, they prefer better life and rewarding career, than being full time protester. The 2016 US election already showed that the silent majority rarely aligned with the mainstream rhetoric. Please be mindful about the reality.
- hker 5y ago
  > > The majority of people in HK don't want to be part of China. The pro-democracy camp, who overwhemingly supported the anti-extradition (anti-CCP) protests in 2019, had a landslide victory during the District Council Election in 2019 [1]. CCP, realizing that fair elections could threaten its rule in Hong Kong, later imposed the National Security Law and arrested lots of opposition members [2]. And then many HKers voted with their feet, literally not being part of China, to show their distrust of the future of Hong Kong under CCP rule [3]. > Where is your evidence? > Please be mindful about the reality. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/world/asia/hong-kong-election-results.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/world/asia/hong-kong-elec... [2]: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/one-year-hong-kong-arrests-117-people-under-new-security-law-2021-06-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/one-year-hong-kon... [3]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/14/hong-kong-exodus-britain-emigration/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/14/hong-kong-ex...
  - justicezyx 5y ago
    You are mixing different things together. [1] is for local district election. It's ridiculous to say that these elected personels are pro democracy, as if pro democracy is conflicting with CCP. CCP sanctions the democracy state of HK. That's part of deal of the treaty. This is one thing. Additional, these elected officials are for local executive branches. They actually have no say in how the fundamental political structure ought to do or what to do in the place. In the typical NYT fashion, they link two groups of people together without formal evidences. [2] And the national security law. As a common practice all over the world, the law does not change anything in how the HK political system working. I am not sure why any patriotic citizens in HK would find national security law impairs their activity to uphold the democracy in HK. I mean the law literally has nothing to say about how power structure should be. It only states that no one share impair China's sovereignty over HK. Lastly, stop painting the HK protests as some grandiose ideology fight. It's just young people are not getting the opportunity for flourishing. It's no different than "occupying wall street" it was just that China happen to be the favorite punching bag of disfunctional government to offset their incompetence.
justicezyx 5y ago
> Dude, what? HK hasn't been part of China for years. What possible justification could you have for re-integrating it. Dude, how ignorant can you be? HK was returned to China because of the original treaty between Qing and Britain. Integration? WTF? It's part of the country, how can it not be integrated. I am startled by these showing of ignorance and self grandizlsing...
ksec 5y ago
>For someone who is anti-CCP, You now get why it is pointless to argue with the Chinese. And Hong Kong wasn't returned to China. It was Handed over. You can also tell most of their assumption about China were taught when they were young. It is always hard to break those assumptions. Most part of Hong Kong doesn't belong to China for close to 150 years. And you can read why they want Taiwan with so called unification. Taiwan wasn't even part of so called China for most of human history. They also claims to be Anti-CCP. But have done absolutely nothing against CCP. But because their love of China they must save China first ( helping CCP ) before they somehow get rid of CCP. Oh the irony.
- justicezyx 5y ago
  Dude your comment is pure racism without self awareness. And a showing of ignorance beyond saving! > You now get why it is pointless to argue with the Chinese I suppose you say similar things in private, just swap Chinese with black, Mexican, Japanese etc. It was OK to say this type of statement on “Chinese”, because, of cuz, even US president did this. > And Hong Kong wasn't returned to China. It was Handed over. Don't play the word on me... The treaty was signed long time ago. And was the results of foticful invasion. Returned or handed over, that's for Chinese, UK, and HK people to decide. You as a random (probably racism inclined as well) has no privilege to apply one word or another! And you are probably the least qualified as well, based on the amount of ignorance demonstrated in such a small number of words. > You can also tell most of their assumption about China were taught when they were young. WTF we Chinese told you things about China, and all those are what we were taught?! First, is there anything wrong with that? You are boasting racism statements, which I assume was also taught in school? Is that OK? And outside of class, we Chinese cannot learn the truth about China? For God's sake, CCP are not omnipotent entity who can control people's mind... Or you are simply stating that Chinese are not capable of independent thinking, because we are just Chinese? (Of cuz, I am placing a racist trap for you, but likely that's what you are thinking right now...). > It is always hard to break those assumptions. Assumption? I see things with my own eyes, and hear words with my own ears, and read books with my own mind. You, someone, who randomly punce on Chinese topics, based on 300 years+ colonists education and indoctrination, and plagued by a racism bigot president, who should lead the nation on the positive and good, instead base his whole presidency on demonizing Chinese and China, are free from assumptions!? You, are having a assumed righteous mindset, which couldn't be farther from the truth... > Most part of Hong Kong doesn't belong to China for close to 150 years. You failed to mentioned HK was abducted. And UK applied brutal colonial ruling, and harsh indoctrination in all levels of the society. Oh, of cuz, for someone who was decent from the people, who genocide the indigenous people, forgetting the source, omitting the root, is always the standard practice of demonizing the people with strong cultural roots... > And you can read why they want Taiwan with so called unification. What? Shed some light on the facts then. > Taiwan wasn't even part of so called China for most of human history. LMAO national states were not a thing for the most of human history, so what? Let's dissolve and ask UN to rule the world. I'll be very happy, if the head of the Mafia, would be willing to relinquish the supremacy... > They also claims to be Anti-CCP. Why? Why? Why do you relate to CCP? To paint a picture of hideous valin through association, right? I am not surprised such ploy is well learned by the observers of the US mainstream media... > But have done absolutely nothing against CCP. When I was preaching the Chinese citizens rights and the need to stand strong against the bully and unfairness of the CCP officials, you would be calling me a CCP sponsored propagandist. You are anti CCP, but only superficially in the name. > But because their love of China they must save China first ( helping CCP ) before they somehow get rid of CCP. What? Why save China needs to helping CCP? Are you suggesting that CCP is the only medium through which one can help improve China? I thought you are anti CCP, and want me to be one as well... > Oh the irony. Yep, your whole post is an irony. One that someone who does not have a clear mind, even muddier writing, delivered an outrageous irony of human ignorance...

tluyben2 5y ago

> Who cares what it was / wasn't part of You can wipe it away like that, but it is the entire point of Chinese leadership since a long time, even opposing parties, that what once was China will be China again. So the 'who cares' is the vital point in why they are doing this; they care very much, not about the pieces of land or the people, but just the simple fact that they consider it China because it was taken from them (and they always said they will get it back) no matter who say they own it now (Taiwan is not uniformly recognised as a state). And I believe many (majority?) on the mainland agree with this, even if they don't agree with the CCP.

krageon 5y ago

> HK hasn't been part of China for years HK was always a part of China, just under specific rules.

justicezyx 5y ago

> The majority of people in HK don't want to be part of China. Where is your evidence? I have friends live and working in HK. Certainly the silent majority doesn't care much. Like any normal people, they prefer better life and rewarding career, than being full time protester. The 2016 US election already showed that the silent majority rarely aligned with the mainstream rhetoric. Please be mindful about the reality.

hker 5y ago
> > The majority of people in HK don't want to be part of China. The pro-democracy camp, who overwhemingly supported the anti-extradition (anti-CCP) protests in 2019, had a landslide victory during the District Council Election in 2019 [1]. CCP, realizing that fair elections could threaten its rule in Hong Kong, later imposed the National Security Law and arrested lots of opposition members [2]. And then many HKers voted with their feet, literally not being part of China, to show their distrust of the future of Hong Kong under CCP rule [3]. > Where is your evidence? > Please be mindful about the reality. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/world/asia/hong-kong-election-results.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/world/asia/hong-kong-elec... [2]: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/one-year-hong-kong-arrests-117-people-under-new-security-law-2021-06-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/one-year-hong-kon... [3]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/14/hong-kong-exodus-britain-emigration/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/14/hong-kong-ex...
- justicezyx 5y ago
  You are mixing different things together. [1] is for local district election. It's ridiculous to say that these elected personels are pro democracy, as if pro democracy is conflicting with CCP. CCP sanctions the democracy state of HK. That's part of deal of the treaty. This is one thing. Additional, these elected officials are for local executive branches. They actually have no say in how the fundamental political structure ought to do or what to do in the place. In the typical NYT fashion, they link two groups of people together without formal evidences. [2] And the national security law. As a common practice all over the world, the law does not change anything in how the HK political system working. I am not sure why any patriotic citizens in HK would find national security law impairs their activity to uphold the democracy in HK. I mean the law literally has nothing to say about how power structure should be. It only states that no one share impair China's sovereignty over HK. Lastly, stop painting the HK protests as some grandiose ideology fight. It's just young people are not getting the opportunity for flourishing. It's no different than "occupying wall street" it was just that China happen to be the favorite punching bag of disfunctional government to offset their incompetence.

justicezyx 5y ago

> Dude, what? HK hasn't been part of China for years. What possible justification could you have for re-integrating it. Dude, how ignorant can you be? HK was returned to China because of the original treaty between Qing and Britain. Integration? WTF? It's part of the country, how can it not be integrated. I am startled by these showing of ignorance and self grandizlsing...

ksec 5y ago

>For someone who is anti-CCP, You now get why it is pointless to argue with the Chinese. And Hong Kong wasn't returned to China. It was Handed over. You can also tell most of their assumption about China were taught when they were young. It is always hard to break those assumptions. Most part of Hong Kong doesn't belong to China for close to 150 years. And you can read why they want Taiwan with so called unification. Taiwan wasn't even part of so called China for most of human history. They also claims to be Anti-CCP. But have done absolutely nothing against CCP. But because their love of China they must save China first ( helping CCP ) before they somehow get rid of CCP. Oh the irony.

justicezyx 5y ago
Dude your comment is pure racism without self awareness. And a showing of ignorance beyond saving! > You now get why it is pointless to argue with the Chinese I suppose you say similar things in private, just swap Chinese with black, Mexican, Japanese etc. It was OK to say this type of statement on “Chinese”, because, of cuz, even US president did this. > And Hong Kong wasn't returned to China. It was Handed over. Don't play the word on me... The treaty was signed long time ago. And was the results of foticful invasion. Returned or handed over, that's for Chinese, UK, and HK people to decide. You as a random (probably racism inclined as well) has no privilege to apply one word or another! And you are probably the least qualified as well, based on the amount of ignorance demonstrated in such a small number of words. > You can also tell most of their assumption about China were taught when they were young. WTF we Chinese told you things about China, and all those are what we were taught?! First, is there anything wrong with that? You are boasting racism statements, which I assume was also taught in school? Is that OK? And outside of class, we Chinese cannot learn the truth about China? For God's sake, CCP are not omnipotent entity who can control people's mind... Or you are simply stating that Chinese are not capable of independent thinking, because we are just Chinese? (Of cuz, I am placing a racist trap for you, but likely that's what you are thinking right now...). > It is always hard to break those assumptions. Assumption? I see things with my own eyes, and hear words with my own ears, and read books with my own mind. You, someone, who randomly punce on Chinese topics, based on 300 years+ colonists education and indoctrination, and plagued by a racism bigot president, who should lead the nation on the positive and good, instead base his whole presidency on demonizing Chinese and China, are free from assumptions!? You, are having a assumed righteous mindset, which couldn't be farther from the truth... > Most part of Hong Kong doesn't belong to China for close to 150 years. You failed to mentioned HK was abducted. And UK applied brutal colonial ruling, and harsh indoctrination in all levels of the society. Oh, of cuz, for someone who was decent from the people, who genocide the indigenous people, forgetting the source, omitting the root, is always the standard practice of demonizing the people with strong cultural roots... > And you can read why they want Taiwan with so called unification. What? Shed some light on the facts then. > Taiwan wasn't even part of so called China for most of human history. LMAO national states were not a thing for the most of human history, so what? Let's dissolve and ask UN to rule the world. I'll be very happy, if the head of the Mafia, would be willing to relinquish the supremacy... > They also claims to be Anti-CCP. Why? Why? Why do you relate to CCP? To paint a picture of hideous valin through association, right? I am not surprised such ploy is well learned by the observers of the US mainstream media... > But have done absolutely nothing against CCP. When I was preaching the Chinese citizens rights and the need to stand strong against the bully and unfairness of the CCP officials, you would be calling me a CCP sponsored propagandist. You are anti CCP, but only superficially in the name. > But because their love of China they must save China first ( helping CCP ) before they somehow get rid of CCP. What? Why save China needs to helping CCP? Are you suggesting that CCP is the only medium through which one can help improve China? I thought you are anti CCP, and want me to be one as well... > Oh the irony. Yep, your whole post is an irony. One that someone who does not have a clear mind, even muddier writing, delivered an outrageous irony of human ignorance...