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It's not a differente take it's a wrong take on french hisory : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puy_du_Fou#Une_vision_orient%C3%A9e_de_l'histoire_de_la_Vend%C3%A

It's not a differente take it's a wrong take on french hisory : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puy_du_Fou#Une_vision_orient%C3%A9e_de_l'histoire_de_la_Vend%C3%A9e https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puy_du_Fou#Une_vision_orient%C... And a wrong take that try to push a political agenda. It's a fun park but don't take history lesson history here are more that political oriented legends. They are like history channel ...

sam_lowry_ 5y ago
The mere fact that French Revolution can be told from the point of view of loosers is a revelation to many French. The value of Puy du Fou is in the teaching of pluralism while being hightly entertaing in the process.
- bussiere 5y ago
  It's not pluralism when it's false facts. There are science and facts. You can't teach false facts to people.
  - sam_lowry_ 5y ago
    The Wikipedia section you referenced above is not about facts, it's a collection of vague complaints. Note that I never said that Puy do Fou presents the true facts. But the attacks of French historians on Puy du Fou I saw so far are not based on facts at all.
  - tasogare 5y ago
    > You can't teach false facts to people. Then why are history books filled with false facts? And that's in the case the government didn't decided to suppress history classes altogether, as it might make people think (I'm referencing the deletion of history classes in scientific high shool section). Paille et poutre...
- WastingMyTime89 5y ago
  > The mere fact that French Revolution can be told from the point of view of losers is a revelation to many French. The French Revolution is always told from the point of view of losers. Most of its most prominent actors ended losing at some point and the whole thing ends with an epuration followed by a military coup. The myth surrounding the Revolution has little to do with who won or lost. Like most of what the French view as their history, it is a construction dating from the rise of nationalism at the end of the 19th century.
  - cm2187 5y ago
    Actually probably more than nationalism, marxism theorised the french revolution as one of the key step of the march to socialism (the bourgeois overthrowing the feudal system, that was meant to be followed by the workers overthrowing the bourgeois system). I suspect this had more influence than nationalism on the school history books of the last 50 years.
ptidhomme 5y ago
I'm not sure you can say there is a "right" or a "wrong" take on history. Rather, different focus and interpretation.
- bussiere 5y ago
  There are true facts and false facts. Even right wing historians find the orientation of the puy du fou wrong. Ainsi, comme le soulignent Jean-Clément Martin, historien spécialiste de la Révolution française, de la Contre-révolution et de la guerre de Vendée, et Valérie Sottocasa, maître de conférences en histoire moderne à l'université Toulouse-Jean-Jaurès, le spectacle, « d'emblée militant et symbolique »12 exalte « le mythe d'un âge d'or durant lequel nobles et gens du peuple étaient soudés par un même idéal communautaire »11 mais « qui a servi jusqu'à nos jours à consolider une culture politique dont témoignent les commémorations du Puy du Fou, sans doute les plus spectaculaires du genre11 ». La mobilisation des populations locales dans le cadre d'« une association défendant les valeurs de la famille et de la tradition » s'inscrit dans ce cadre : il s'agit de « populariser une idée de l'histoire de France teintée de Contre-Révolution »13, comme le montrent en outre dans les années 1980 et 1990 les thématiques des colloques qui s'y déroulent ou l'utilisation de la venue d'Alexandre Soljenitsyne. Jean-Clément Martin et Charles Suaud font remarquer en outre que le spectacle de la Cinéscénie dépeint une société paysanne vendéenne faussement uniforme « privée de ses contradictions internes, soumise aux aléas des saisons et des traumatismes extérieurs », occultant à la fois les affrontements ayant eu lieu en Vendée entre catholiques et protestants pendant les guerres de religion et les rapports de domination économique et sociale13.
  - sam_lowry_ 5y ago
    Between the mumbling of Jean-Clément Martin and the visual feast presented by Puy du Fou, I prefer the later. No wonder Jean-Clément Martin*s* of the world are angry.
    - bussiere 5y ago
      If a made a super show where elvis and the big foot came to help the french revolution with some Grey Extra terrestrial it doesn't make true facts on history.
fredros 5y ago
At French school we a were taught wrong takes when it comes to history (less so, of course) It’s mainly the history from a « républicain » point of view. Also served with a blatant pro European federalism take. Nothing wrong per se, but we should have a critical view on what we were fed with.

sam_lowry_ 5y ago

The mere fact that French Revolution can be told from the point of view of loosers is a revelation to many French. The value of Puy du Fou is in the teaching of pluralism while being hightly entertaing in the process.

bussiere 5y ago
It's not pluralism when it's false facts. There are science and facts. You can't teach false facts to people.
- sam_lowry_ 5y ago
  The Wikipedia section you referenced above is not about facts, it's a collection of vague complaints. Note that I never said that Puy do Fou presents the true facts. But the attacks of French historians on Puy du Fou I saw so far are not based on facts at all.
- tasogare 5y ago
  > You can't teach false facts to people. Then why are history books filled with false facts? And that's in the case the government didn't decided to suppress history classes altogether, as it might make people think (I'm referencing the deletion of history classes in scientific high shool section). Paille et poutre...
WastingMyTime89 5y ago
> The mere fact that French Revolution can be told from the point of view of losers is a revelation to many French. The French Revolution is always told from the point of view of losers. Most of its most prominent actors ended losing at some point and the whole thing ends with an epuration followed by a military coup. The myth surrounding the Revolution has little to do with who won or lost. Like most of what the French view as their history, it is a construction dating from the rise of nationalism at the end of the 19th century.
- cm2187 5y ago
  Actually probably more than nationalism, marxism theorised the french revolution as one of the key step of the march to socialism (the bourgeois overthrowing the feudal system, that was meant to be followed by the workers overthrowing the bourgeois system). I suspect this had more influence than nationalism on the school history books of the last 50 years.

ptidhomme 5y ago

I'm not sure you can say there is a "right" or a "wrong" take on history. Rather, different focus and interpretation.

bussiere 5y ago
There are true facts and false facts. Even right wing historians find the orientation of the puy du fou wrong. Ainsi, comme le soulignent Jean-Clément Martin, historien spécialiste de la Révolution française, de la Contre-révolution et de la guerre de Vendée, et Valérie Sottocasa, maître de conférences en histoire moderne à l'université Toulouse-Jean-Jaurès, le spectacle, « d'emblée militant et symbolique »12 exalte « le mythe d'un âge d'or durant lequel nobles et gens du peuple étaient soudés par un même idéal communautaire »11 mais « qui a servi jusqu'à nos jours à consolider une culture politique dont témoignent les commémorations du Puy du Fou, sans doute les plus spectaculaires du genre11 ». La mobilisation des populations locales dans le cadre d'« une association défendant les valeurs de la famille et de la tradition » s'inscrit dans ce cadre : il s'agit de « populariser une idée de l'histoire de France teintée de Contre-Révolution »13, comme le montrent en outre dans les années 1980 et 1990 les thématiques des colloques qui s'y déroulent ou l'utilisation de la venue d'Alexandre Soljenitsyne. Jean-Clément Martin et Charles Suaud font remarquer en outre que le spectacle de la Cinéscénie dépeint une société paysanne vendéenne faussement uniforme « privée de ses contradictions internes, soumise aux aléas des saisons et des traumatismes extérieurs », occultant à la fois les affrontements ayant eu lieu en Vendée entre catholiques et protestants pendant les guerres de religion et les rapports de domination économique et sociale13.
- sam_lowry_ 5y ago
  Between the mumbling of Jean-Clément Martin and the visual feast presented by Puy du Fou, I prefer the later. No wonder Jean-Clément Martin*s* of the world are angry.
  - bussiere 5y ago
    If a made a super show where elvis and the big foot came to help the french revolution with some Grey Extra terrestrial it doesn't make true facts on history.

fredros 5y ago

At French school we a were taught wrong takes when it comes to history (less so, of course) It’s mainly the history from a « républicain » point of view. Also served with a blatant pro European federalism take. Nothing wrong per se, but we should have a critical view on what we were fed with.