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Why would it be offensive just because random Americans think that "women are the ones that wear kimono"? Even if it were true. For the puritanical American mi

Why would it be offensive just because random Americans think that "women are the ones that wear kimono"? Even if it were true. For the puritanical American mind it might be offensive to even imagine nudity, but other than that I really don't get it.

mint2 5y ago
Because the context is American office settings? Look I don’t make American culture, I’m simply pointing out how a huge chunk of office workers will perceive it. Anyway, I can tell people can see this perspective, but want to pretend it’s invalid because they don’t like it. those against what they call “cancel” culture then reacting to opinions they deem unpopular by downvoting shows they don’t care about the principal of what they call “cancel” culture in general but only care that what they are used to is being “cancelled”. Has anyone tried googling the term to see what comes up? Many posts explaining or talking about why the term is problematic. People downvoting are trying to ignore facts they dislike, but that doesn’t make facts go away. This even comes up https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23549563 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23549563
- Grustaf 5y ago
  So what is the reason it would be offensive? Please explain.
  - mint2 5y ago
    Well according to the past hacker news thread I linked, it’s not racist but people find it sexist. That is also what many of the top google results for the term report
    - Grustaf 5y ago
      And why do they find it sexist?
      - mint2 5y ago
        Because people come from a wide variety of backgrounds with a wide variety of experiences and knowledge that informs their opinions of things, so that one group of people such as many hacker news commenters may take the term to be non-controversial there are other large groups that have different experiences. wishing they didn’t won’t chance that fact. On hacker news it may seem like there is little difference in opinion, but keep in mind hacker news readers are a fairy like minded subsample of the population.
        Grustaf 5y ago
        No I mean in what sense could it possibly be “sexist”? It’s not demeaning to women, at least not more so than to men. It might be a bit raunchy, but in a gender neutral way.
        dekhn 5y ago
        it's sexist in the minds of people like ashley who want to take down apple. probably due to misinterpretation or misunderstanding on her part.
        mint2 5y ago
        Here is a somewhat wandering account of the term, showing it’s many sides. Enjoy. https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/11/02/360479744/why-corporate-executives-talk-about-opening-their-kimonos https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/11/02/360479744...
        dekhn 5y ago
        It appears that the beliefs of most of the people who are opposed to it are based on incorrect assumptions (for example kimono -> geisha). Put another way, the people who are using it are neither intending to be insulting, racist, or sexist, and the people complaining about don't have a legitimate reason to be unhappy, because their analysis is just wrong.

mint2 5y ago

Because the context is American office settings? Look I don’t make American culture, I’m simply pointing out how a huge chunk of office workers will perceive it. Anyway, I can tell people can see this perspective, but want to pretend it’s invalid because they don’t like it. those against what they call “cancel” culture then reacting to opinions they deem unpopular by downvoting shows they don’t care about the principal of what they call “cancel” culture in general but only care that what they are used to is being “cancelled”. Has anyone tried googling the term to see what comes up? Many posts explaining or talking about why the term is problematic. People downvoting are trying to ignore facts they dislike, but that doesn’t make facts go away. This even comes up https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23549563 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23549563

Grustaf 5y ago
So what is the reason it would be offensive? Please explain.
- mint2 5y ago
  Well according to the past hacker news thread I linked, it’s not racist but people find it sexist. That is also what many of the top google results for the term report
  - Grustaf 5y ago
    And why do they find it sexist?
    - mint2 5y ago
      Because people come from a wide variety of backgrounds with a wide variety of experiences and knowledge that informs their opinions of things, so that one group of people such as many hacker news commenters may take the term to be non-controversial there are other large groups that have different experiences. wishing they didn’t won’t chance that fact. On hacker news it may seem like there is little difference in opinion, but keep in mind hacker news readers are a fairy like minded subsample of the population.
      - Grustaf 5y ago
        No I mean in what sense could it possibly be “sexist”? It’s not demeaning to women, at least not more so than to men. It might be a bit raunchy, but in a gender neutral way.
        dekhn 5y ago
        it's sexist in the minds of people like ashley who want to take down apple. probably due to misinterpretation or misunderstanding on her part.
        mint2 5y ago
        Here is a somewhat wandering account of the term, showing it’s many sides. Enjoy. https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/11/02/360479744/why-corporate-executives-talk-about-opening-their-kimonos https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/11/02/360479744...
        dekhn 5y ago
        It appears that the beliefs of most of the people who are opposed to it are based on incorrect assumptions (for example kimono -> geisha). Put another way, the people who are using it are neither intending to be insulting, racist, or sexist, and the people complaining about don't have a legitimate reason to be unhappy, because their analysis is just wrong.