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Here is her NLRB complaint [1]. It seems fine to me if she wants to get her story out via her own site or press or whatever. It can be hard to "go viral" and yo

Here is her NLRB complaint [1]. It seems fine to me if she wants to get her story out via her own site or press or whatever. It can be hard to "go viral" and you have to put a lot of effort behind it. That said, making yourself a public figure can be tough too, so I hope she's ready with facts. This summary from her website doesn't make Apple sound all that terrible in my opinion: > I raised issues about workplace safety in March, upon which Apple subjected me to a nonconsensual sexism investigation on my behalf. Then I faced retaliation from my managers, ER, & HR. I continued to raise my workplace safety concerns as well as my concerns about the employee relations processes at Apple. This led to a second, much larger investigation that I actually requested this time. However, before we could finish gathering & reviewing the evidence, Apple forced me onto indefinite paid administrative leave. [1] https://foiaonline.gov/foiaonline/api/request/downloadFile/NLRB-2021-001319%20Final%20Records.pdf/758bfad6-3292-4eee-b41f-c75336faa1e2 https://foiaonline.gov/foiaonline/api/request/downloadFile/N... (PDF download)

PragmaticPulp 5y ago
> This summary from her website doesn't make Apple sound all that terrible in my opinion: Looking past her editorializing, the Apple communications she leaked aren't really unreasonable. She raised concerns about harassment, so Apple started an investigation. She then complains that the investigation was "nonconsensual", despite being the one to raise the concerns. She then requested a second investigation, which Apple started. The part about being placed on administrative leave is particularly confusing, because this article says that she requested to be placed on the administrative leave. Her Tweets are hyper-dramatic. She calls her Employee Relations contacts "Employee Retaliation" and even insinuates that she thinks Apple might assault her at her home after they requested a meeting: > Any bets if I get a literal knock on my physical door from #Apple today? > Hey #Apple, "This feels a little like witness intimidation. I let @NLRB know." Love, Ashley > Clutches panic button & Mace while still laying on floor pondering the brutality of U.S. capitalism... Source: https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1436080433175818259 https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1436080433175818259
- unityByFreedom 5y ago
  Yeah. I think she has real concerns that need to be addressed to make her whole. I'm not sure this is "the world needs to know"-level stuff though. Good on her for speaking her mind anyway. The "open kimono" stuff sounded bad to me (edit: depends on the context [2]). At the same time, she is giving these veiled threats to Apple while an investigation appears to be underway, > .... also makes me wonder what would happen if I shared the incidents [redacted] investigated and said weren't "policy violations" like [redacted] [1] I can see why Apple would want to part ways with that. It's standard for everyone to keep their mouths shut while an investigation is underway. If you don't understand and follow that contract then you're tainting the investigation. [1] https://www.ashleygjovik.com/uploads/1/3/7/0/137008339/published/screen-shot-2021-08-10-at-4-12-30-am_3.png https://www.ashleygjovik.com/uploads/1/3/7/0/137008339/publi... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28478276 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28478276
  - PragmaticPulp 5y ago
    The "open kimono" thing is inexcusable in 2021, but I don't think it's anything more than someone cluelessly using an outdated catchphrase. It was semi-common business lingo in the early 2000s in certain circles: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/open-kimono.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/open-kimono.asp Self-help guru Tim Ferriss even copyrighted the phrase and made a big deal about publicizing a $10,000 seminar in his "Opening the Kimono" event in 2011: https://tim.blog/2011/04/12/opening-the-kimono/ https://tim.blog/2011/04/12/opening-the-kimono/ Then the phrase quickly died, as it should have. Strange to hear an Apple manager using it, but I wouldn't assume they were implying anything or had ill intent.
    - unityByFreedom 5y ago
      > Strange to hear an Apple manager using it, but I wouldn't assume they were implying anything or had ill intent. Yes, I can imagine oblivious men repeating it if they did not realize it could be interpreted sexually. However you do deserve to be called out if you continue using it while feigning ignorance. Your response should simply be, "oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize the implications of this phrase. I'll stop using it." And if you can't do that then HR should get involved. It sounds like that is what was happening. Then she threatened to make her case more widely known and Apple decided, "alright, it's better if you're not employed here while you pursue that."

PragmaticPulp 5y ago

> This summary from her website doesn't make Apple sound all that terrible in my opinion: Looking past her editorializing, the Apple communications she leaked aren't really unreasonable. She raised concerns about harassment, so Apple started an investigation. She then complains that the investigation was "nonconsensual", despite being the one to raise the concerns. She then requested a second investigation, which Apple started. The part about being placed on administrative leave is particularly confusing, because this article says that she requested to be placed on the administrative leave. Her Tweets are hyper-dramatic. She calls her Employee Relations contacts "Employee Retaliation" and even insinuates that she thinks Apple might assault her at her home after they requested a meeting: > Any bets if I get a literal knock on my physical door from #Apple today? > Hey #Apple, "This feels a little like witness intimidation. I let @NLRB know." Love, Ashley > Clutches panic button & Mace while still laying on floor pondering the brutality of U.S. capitalism... Source: https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1436080433175818259 https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1436080433175818259

unityByFreedom 5y ago
Yeah. I think she has real concerns that need to be addressed to make her whole. I'm not sure this is "the world needs to know"-level stuff though. Good on her for speaking her mind anyway. The "open kimono" stuff sounded bad to me (edit: depends on the context [2]). At the same time, she is giving these veiled threats to Apple while an investigation appears to be underway, > .... also makes me wonder what would happen if I shared the incidents [redacted] investigated and said weren't "policy violations" like [redacted] [1] I can see why Apple would want to part ways with that. It's standard for everyone to keep their mouths shut while an investigation is underway. If you don't understand and follow that contract then you're tainting the investigation. [1] https://www.ashleygjovik.com/uploads/1/3/7/0/137008339/published/screen-shot-2021-08-10-at-4-12-30-am_3.png https://www.ashleygjovik.com/uploads/1/3/7/0/137008339/publi... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28478276 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28478276
- PragmaticPulp 5y ago
  The "open kimono" thing is inexcusable in 2021, but I don't think it's anything more than someone cluelessly using an outdated catchphrase. It was semi-common business lingo in the early 2000s in certain circles: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/open-kimono.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/open-kimono.asp Self-help guru Tim Ferriss even copyrighted the phrase and made a big deal about publicizing a $10,000 seminar in his "Opening the Kimono" event in 2011: https://tim.blog/2011/04/12/opening-the-kimono/ https://tim.blog/2011/04/12/opening-the-kimono/ Then the phrase quickly died, as it should have. Strange to hear an Apple manager using it, but I wouldn't assume they were implying anything or had ill intent.
  - unityByFreedom 5y ago
    > Strange to hear an Apple manager using it, but I wouldn't assume they were implying anything or had ill intent. Yes, I can imagine oblivious men repeating it if they did not realize it could be interpreted sexually. However you do deserve to be called out if you continue using it while feigning ignorance. Your response should simply be, "oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize the implications of this phrase. I'll stop using it." And if you can't do that then HR should get involved. It sounds like that is what was happening. Then she threatened to make her case more widely known and Apple decided, "alright, it's better if you're not employed here while you pursue that."