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I google-image searched her name. This tweet (and the one below it) came up: https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1422380335703101443 https://twitter.com/as

I google-image searched her name. This tweet (and the one below it) came up: https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1422380335703101443 https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1422380335703101443 This is one of those prickly things where about half the population takes one side and the other half takes the other side. I, personally, would greatly appreciate my boss giving me advice on how to improve the tone of my delivery during presentations. I wouldn't call it tone-policing. I wouldn't complain to HR about it. And I certainly wouldn't put it on Twitter for the world to see. Bananas. ----------- Update: I just saw the piece on her website where she tweets "Here's me catching my #Apple officemate randomly looking at rifle specs". The tweet: https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1426572384736202758 https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1426572384736202758 (Astonishingly, she thinks it's okay to take a creep-shot of a colleague's computer screen and post it on Twitter.) Ashley "caught" her officemate doing something naughty, y'all. She's a professional snitch.

markdown 5y ago
"I didn't hear you going up an octave at the end of your statements" Aussie women are going to have trouble at Apple.
- lkois 5y ago
  As an Aussie male, I agree?
  - delsarto 5y ago
    NIDA (Australia's, and one of the world's best acting schools) actually run a course "Influential Women" [1] that focuses on vocal presence for women in corporate environments. [1] https://www.corporate.nida.edu.au/course/CWIB https://www.corporate.nida.edu.au/course/CWIB
legostormtroopr 5y ago
Her tone-policing tweet was shared at the time, and the resounding response was "that seems like reasonable feedback" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28066459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28066459 Ashley (or ally's of hers) have been spamming updates to this slow motion career implosion on HN for the past few months, to try and paint Apple as some misogynistic dystopia and most of the posts have been flagged.
gerash 5y ago
It must be miserable being this person's manager or employer
- jbverschoor 5y ago
  Or being managed by her.
- dekhn 5y ago
  If I were ashley's manager, I would have gone to HR and said this: "I don't think I can manage ashley. It's too hard. I don't have the skills to manage an activist employee who is aggressively using social media to tarnish the reputation of her employer. Can you help me find another manager to transfer her to?"
_3u10 5y ago
Yeah, one learns pretty quickly in management not to provide this kind of advice. One wonders with so much distaste for capitalism why she didn’t take a more lucrative position with the politburo where employment standards are so much better.
gerash 5y ago
She's effectively policing everyone (her coworkers can't lookup the specs of a rifle, the company should stop using some common business terms because they're offensive, etc.) Yet when it comes to her listening to someone else's feedback (not sounding as if she's asking questions when she's not during a presentation) that's tone-policing and she can't tolerate it. So much hypocrisy.
Rebelgecko 5y ago
Maybe if she talked to her coworkers about their interests instead of tasking creepy photos without their consent, she'd realize that it's actually a shotgun, not a rifle. The implication in the replies that no one from Texas has a valid opinion certainly says a lot about her communication style though.
- deleted 5y ago
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- threshold 5y ago
  Oh it’s a shotgun, not a rifle. Yes that makes all the difference. But taking a photo of an employee’s screen and posting it on the internet is way over the line.
  - Rebelgecko 5y ago
    The comment about it being a shotgun was a bit tongue and cheek, but my point was that it seems like she's more interested in demonizing people who are different than trying to actually understand them. You see that when she refuses to consider the opinion of someone who was born in a certain place. You also see that when she implies that her coworker is breaking company policy and creating a safety issue- if that was actually the case why would you wait 6 years, when no one can prove or disprove the accusation? It seems like she wasn't actually concerned about the safety issue, she was more concerned about collecting a critical mass of "receipts" before she publicly disclosed her alleged victimhood.
- dekhn 5y ago
  IIUC some shotguns can fire rifle bullets and vice versa. The more I look into gun ontology the more I realize it's a massive latent space and most people talking about guns have no idea how smooth the continuum between assault weapons, rifles, and shotguns are.
himinlomax 5y ago
That gun looks like a single shot carbine. Not exactly the stuff of gun nuts.
- deleted 5y ago
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- skinkestek 5y ago
  Or exactly the stuff for some gun nuts. I assume certain actual gun nuts are nuts about those kinds of guns just like some car enthusiasts are enthusiasts about old impractical cars?
skinkestek 5y ago
> She's a professional snitch. I'd even say unprofessional. Not that it would make her any better, but if she'd been professional she'd taken it quietly to management or police and they could have ignored it edit: making it less embarrassing for them and less hurting for the colleague even if she was dumb. She is the kind of person who should make anyone feel uncomfortable at work. Who knows what else she doesn't like and will capture and post publicly on internet? BTW: this seriously reminds me about PyconGate where someone who had just posted a d#ck joke on Twitter herself got two others fired because she thought she overheard them saying something between themselves that could be construed as a similar joke.
- dekhn 5y ago
  She (Adria Richards) ended up getting fired herself, https://sendgrid.com/blog/a-difficult-situation/ https://sendgrid.com/blog/a-difficult-situation/. "What we do not support was how she reported the conduct. Her decision to tweet the comments and photographs of the people who made the comments crossed the line. Publicly shaming the offenders – and bystanders – was not the appropriate way to handle the situation" It was also pointed out she had previously made jokes about male genitalia on twitter (from her work account) a few days before, which obviously (in internet rules) makes her a hypocrite. I can't find her on linkedin (she probably is unemployable now)but there is a statement attributed to her after she was fired (https://allthingsd.com/20130327/fired-sendgrid-developer-evangelist-adria-richards-speaks-out/ https://allthingsd.com/20130327/fired-sendgrid-developer-eva...) Anyway, all of this is just leading to the point that we're going to need to find a new term, sort of like "peter and the wolf" where a person abuses the virality of social media, in combination with stereotyping, confirmation bias and willingly incorrect analysis of situations, to attempt to take down other people illegitimately. Oh wait. That's just cancelling cancel culture.

markdown 5y ago

"I didn't hear you going up an octave at the end of your statements" Aussie women are going to have trouble at Apple.

lkois 5y ago
As an Aussie male, I agree?
- delsarto 5y ago
  NIDA (Australia's, and one of the world's best acting schools) actually run a course "Influential Women" [1] that focuses on vocal presence for women in corporate environments. [1] https://www.corporate.nida.edu.au/course/CWIB https://www.corporate.nida.edu.au/course/CWIB

legostormtroopr 5y ago

Her tone-policing tweet was shared at the time, and the resounding response was "that seems like reasonable feedback" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28066459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28066459 Ashley (or ally's of hers) have been spamming updates to this slow motion career implosion on HN for the past few months, to try and paint Apple as some misogynistic dystopia and most of the posts have been flagged.

gerash 5y ago

It must be miserable being this person's manager or employer

jbverschoor 5y ago
Or being managed by her.
dekhn 5y ago
If I were ashley's manager, I would have gone to HR and said this: "I don't think I can manage ashley. It's too hard. I don't have the skills to manage an activist employee who is aggressively using social media to tarnish the reputation of her employer. Can you help me find another manager to transfer her to?"

_3u10 5y ago

Yeah, one learns pretty quickly in management not to provide this kind of advice. One wonders with so much distaste for capitalism why she didn’t take a more lucrative position with the politburo where employment standards are so much better.

gerash 5y ago

She's effectively policing everyone (her coworkers can't lookup the specs of a rifle, the company should stop using some common business terms because they're offensive, etc.) Yet when it comes to her listening to someone else's feedback (not sounding as if she's asking questions when she's not during a presentation) that's tone-policing and she can't tolerate it. So much hypocrisy.

Rebelgecko 5y ago

Maybe if she talked to her coworkers about their interests instead of tasking creepy photos without their consent, she'd realize that it's actually a shotgun, not a rifle. The implication in the replies that no one from Texas has a valid opinion certainly says a lot about her communication style though.

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threshold 5y ago
Oh it’s a shotgun, not a rifle. Yes that makes all the difference. But taking a photo of an employee’s screen and posting it on the internet is way over the line.
- Rebelgecko 5y ago
  The comment about it being a shotgun was a bit tongue and cheek, but my point was that it seems like she's more interested in demonizing people who are different than trying to actually understand them. You see that when she refuses to consider the opinion of someone who was born in a certain place. You also see that when she implies that her coworker is breaking company policy and creating a safety issue- if that was actually the case why would you wait 6 years, when no one can prove or disprove the accusation? It seems like she wasn't actually concerned about the safety issue, she was more concerned about collecting a critical mass of "receipts" before she publicly disclosed her alleged victimhood.
dekhn 5y ago
IIUC some shotguns can fire rifle bullets and vice versa. The more I look into gun ontology the more I realize it's a massive latent space and most people talking about guns have no idea how smooth the continuum between assault weapons, rifles, and shotguns are.

himinlomax 5y ago

That gun looks like a single shot carbine. Not exactly the stuff of gun nuts.

deleted 5y ago
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skinkestek 5y ago
Or exactly the stuff for some gun nuts. I assume certain actual gun nuts are nuts about those kinds of guns just like some car enthusiasts are enthusiasts about old impractical cars?

skinkestek 5y ago

> She's a professional snitch. I'd even say unprofessional. Not that it would make her any better, but if she'd been professional she'd taken it quietly to management or police and they could have ignored it edit: making it less embarrassing for them and less hurting for the colleague even if she was dumb. She is the kind of person who should make anyone feel uncomfortable at work. Who knows what else she doesn't like and will capture and post publicly on internet? BTW: this seriously reminds me about PyconGate where someone who had just posted a d#ck joke on Twitter herself got two others fired because she thought she overheard them saying something between themselves that could be construed as a similar joke.

dekhn 5y ago
She (Adria Richards) ended up getting fired herself, https://sendgrid.com/blog/a-difficult-situation/ https://sendgrid.com/blog/a-difficult-situation/. "What we do not support was how she reported the conduct. Her decision to tweet the comments and photographs of the people who made the comments crossed the line. Publicly shaming the offenders – and bystanders – was not the appropriate way to handle the situation" It was also pointed out she had previously made jokes about male genitalia on twitter (from her work account) a few days before, which obviously (in internet rules) makes her a hypocrite. I can't find her on linkedin (she probably is unemployable now)but there is a statement attributed to her after she was fired (https://allthingsd.com/20130327/fired-sendgrid-developer-evangelist-adria-richards-speaks-out/ https://allthingsd.com/20130327/fired-sendgrid-developer-eva...) Anyway, all of this is just leading to the point that we're going to need to find a new term, sort of like "peter and the wolf" where a person abuses the virality of social media, in combination with stereotyping, confirmation bias and willingly incorrect analysis of situations, to attempt to take down other people illegitimately. Oh wait. That's just cancelling cancel culture.