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I refuse to comply with this over reach and I’m fully vaccinated
by asquabventured 5y ago
I refuse to comply with this over reach and I’m fully vaccinated
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y agoSadly, there won't be nearly enough who feel as you do. But I wholeheartedly applaud your statement!
- loonster 5y agoIt only has to be enough in certain industries. Trucking, food production, Oil & Gas, powerplant workers, linemen, water treatment, etc. In those essential industries, a small percentage of people walking out may wreck havoc on the whole nation. Those are also the same people that I expect are more anti covid vaccine.
- inawarminister 5y agoI have heard that truckers in Australia and Brazil are already boycotting their respective governments due to COVID responses.
- loonster 5y agoThere was a trucker strike in Australia. I got the impression that it was limited to TWU (the equivalent of Teamsters) demanding more money and better working conditions. I never saw what better working conditions actually meant. I'm more concerned about 20% of the truckers being fired for not taking the vaccine. Logistics is already stretched thin and it would make it much worse.
- silentmajthrw54 5y agoCreated this throwaway to say that there are at least some others who agree but are too scared of the current cultural tone to speak openly about this. I feel thoroughly alienated from my peer-group and family over their fervor for this response and against any who disagree.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y agoTrust me, you are most definitely not alone. Most are like you - quietly going about your business, keeping a low profile.
- AndrewBissell 5y agoI'm right there with you. Had an old friend of over 25 years say to me that it was a "blunt cudgel to enforce a social instinct that is shockingly atrophied in people." Hang in there, you are not alone and we are still in the very early days of this whole operation. Also, you might be able to find a local anti-mask or anti-mandate group on Facebook, I've found having that social support network is really helpful.
- swayvil 5y agoIs Facebook allowing those? The censorship (authoritarian as well as consensual) is pretty heavy on facebook, twitter, reddit. Isolating dissenters. Make them feel like lone crazies.
- AndrewBissell 5y agoThere is still one that is active in my local area, at least.
- longthrow1 5y agoI'm sorry, but I think this is time to speak up. We're losing rights month by month, slowly following in Australia's authoritarian footsteps. So many who oppose this are too afraid to say anything, and the result is the appearance of overwhelming support for such measures, mainly because those who do support are much more aggressive, louder, willing to directly attack others personally and even physically. We shouldn't resort to those tactics, but we do need to make our voices heard, support each other, reassure everyone that we're just as numerous if not more so. It's important, this is our freedom and that of our children on the line. I'd suggest following Rand Paul on twitter, and as he suggests, refusing to comply with these unscientific and unreasonable orders. (truly, any mandate that fails to take in to account naturally acquired immunity or vaccine risks to individuals as noted in cdc and fda documents is completely lacking in scientific rigor.)
- TigeriusKirk 5y agoI vaccinated within days of becoming eligible and I'm 100% against this mandate. To such an extent that I'll become a single-issue voter over it.
- tfehring 5y agoI would be with you if it weren’t for the “or test” part. “You must get vaccinated” would be problematic, but “you must do a COVID test once a week if you’re not vaccinated” is totally reasonable IMO.
- furgooswft13 5y agoGive it a few months. First they will pass the costs onto the employee, then they will take away the option altogether. Mark my words.
- putnambr 5y agoWith a $14k fine per violation, I doubt most employers will give employees the option to test weekly. That's too much of a liability.
- lax4ever 5y agoEspecially considering the load this will put on laboratories.
- loonster 5y agoThe people that need the test to determine proper course of treatment will get results days after it matters. It will be just like 2020.
- loonster 5y agoIn June of 2020, I waited over 2 weeks for the results of my test. A delay that long makes the test more than worthless for preventing transmission and determining best course of action.
- version_five 5y agoI agree and support this. People want to conflate the issues of not believing in vaccines (or whatever words they like to put in peoples mouths) and believing in having to provide proof of a personal health situation all over the place. It's convenient to pretend that anyone who is against government and corporate overreach is an "anti-vaxxer" instead of actually engage with the issue.
- justaman 5y agoThey have literally redefined "anti-vaxxer" in a similar way to how "racism" was redefined. Its being used as a tool for control.
- mindslight 5y agoThey're getting conflated because the people who are against vaccines are referencing freedom to choose as their primary argument, as if the ability to make bad decisions implies some duty to make bad decisions. I'm against vaccine mandates in principle, but the ultimate cause of the authoritarianism is mass media. Covid has been a fantastic setup for dog and pony shows - political hucksters rail all day about government overreach while inciting their followers to make bad choices. The large scale effects of those bad choices practically demand government intervention. And after the utilitarian system steps in to mitigate the problem, the hucksters take credit for being right about government overreach all along. It's the perfect con for the post-reality media environment - when reality asserts itself and some low level preacher dies of their own kool aid, they just go silent and are replaced by another ignorant voice on the same channel. If we had a level of societal trust such that you could expect that most everyone would be taking measures to prevent spreading Covid, then coming together in large groups (eg employment) would be less of an issue. But as it stands, why would anybody want to go back into the office when it's likely that at least a third of your coworkers will blithely get you sick? And hence OSHA et al step in, using the same rationale as when preventing operating heavy equipment while drunk - it creates an unsafe work environment.
- dmitrygr 5y agoSame. My vaccination status is my own damn business. I am prepared to be fired over this, if needed.
- colinmhayes 5y agoexcept it's not really since you can kill other people if you're not vaccinated.
- unanswered 5y agoOn the contrary it's the vaccinated people who are sick but don't know that they're sick who are spreading the virus.
- colinmhayes 5y agoMostly to people that are unvaccinated... If 90% of people were vaccinated r would be less than 1 and there would be no spread.
- unanswered 5y ago"no spread" is R=0. Vaccinated people are spreading it to vaccinated people as well as unvaccinated. Assuming that vaccinated people don't know that they get it we have essentially created a big cesspool for the virus to spread undetected. Luckily that's a bad assumption because the vaccines are so bad that they aren't even protecting people from getting very ill.
- colinmhayes 5y ago> "no spread" is R=0. If R<1 the number of infected people continually decreases until there are no cases. This is also why it's important for the US to provide other countries with vaccines.
- unanswered 5y ago
- nanis 5y ago> I’m fully vaccinated Temporarily. I am assuming you had your second shot more than two weeks ago. Soon, the definition of "fully vaccinated" will change to require the third shot and you will be counted among the unvaccinated as it is currently done for people with a single shot or less than two weeks past their second shot when it comes to death/hospitalization stats. We are close to living in Arcadia[1]. [1]: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4377942/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4377942/
- version_five 5y agoYeah, there are so many layers to this. I mean, a mandate for employers oversteps what government is allowed to do anyway. But that aside, if it was polio or something and there was one shot that basically ended it, you could see a rational path to a single mandate that got everyone vaccinated (btw I'd be curious to know polio, measles, etc vaccine rates, I think they are very high). But when "vaccinated" is essentially some political flavor of the week, how is it going to get enforced? Will a third shot get rolled in? And if there are more, or if we switch from mrna to another variety, do they get rolled in too? Will you need to have the original 2021 shots, even once they've been subsumed into something else, or can you just get the latest thing. For all the pretend deference to science, we're in the middle of a rapidly unfolding situation. It seems preposterous, even with clear evidence that the vaccines do work (and ignoring government overreach which is itself absurd and illegal imo) to start mandating something that is not likely to hold 6 months from now, and what, just require that everyone tracks whatever current orthodoxy says? I have my two pfizer shots, and if there is a vaccine later that actually cures covid, maybe I'll go back and get it. But I'm giving up on trying to track the flavor of the week and trying to match whatever the new York times wants me to do, I'll wait until there is actually a reasonable consensus
- Workaholic_87 5y agoGood god, after sifting through endless amounts of senseless blabber on this topic, I want to frame the exert above.
- zerocount 5y ago
- op00to 5y agoEnjoy getting fined while making the COVID pandemic worse!