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I visited this museum in 2016. It was incredible to see this on Chinese soil. Hong Kong had a mere 20 years of being truly Hong Kong, free of the UK and genera

by psim1 5y ago

I visited this museum in 2016. It was incredible to see this on Chinese soil. Hong Kong had a mere 20 years of being truly Hong Kong, free of the UK and generally free of China. Now it is just more China.

hunterb123 5y ago
Communist China has only had a mere 100 years compared to it's 5000 year history.
- sneak 5y ago
  This is a pretty interesting perspective to consider, too.
- gibolt 5y ago
  Not sure why you are being downvoted. During the communist revolution (in the 40s), the previous government was overthrown and escaped to Taiwan. That was when Mao and Communism took over. It is an interesting perspective Edited for accuracy, 'cultural' -> 'communist'
  - skissane 5y ago
    > During the cultural revolution, the previous government was overthrown and escaped to Taiwan Not the Cultural Revolution. Cultural Revolution was in the 1960s, the Communist victory over the Nationalists and the Nationalists' flight to Taiwan was late 1940s. The "Cultural Revolution" was not a "revolution" in the classic sense. It was not an attempt to install a new government. It was a totalitarian exercise in which the Communist Party – led by Mao – attempted to eliminate every aspect of Chinese culture and society that wasn't enthusiastically communist
  - patch_cable 5y ago
    That’s not what the cultural revolution was. The cultural revolution took place well after the CCP took over.
  - vkou 5y ago
    > Not sure why you are being downvoted. During the communist revolution (in the 40s), the previous government was overthrown and escaped to Taiwan. Incorrect. The previous government of China (the Beiyang government) was overthrown by a collaboration between the CPC and the KMT (Which was led by Chiang Kai-shek). The CPC and the KMT then had a war, which the KMT lost - and fled to Taiwan. As a bonus, the KMT then proceeded to carry out the White Terror - 38 years of one-party rule, repression and martial law, which ostensibly purged Taiwan's of suspected or alleged communists.
- SkyMarshal 5y ago
  Even less actually. The CCP has existed for 100yrs (since 1921), but didn't control China till 1949. Communist China has only existed for 72yrs.
- mensetmanusman 5y ago
  I try to remind people of this all the time, it’s especially interesting since the leadership is trying to destroy artifacts of their history to fit a very recent narrative. They only occasionally use bits and pieces to talk about how they are in ancient culture, but they are rapidly becoming a very young culture in a historical sense.
- khc 5y ago
  and 5000 years of dictator rule, not sure what you are trying to say
- Bayart 5y ago
  >it's 5000 year history Please don't give credence to nonsensical nationalist tropes. The Oracle Bone Script goes back to about 1200 BC during the Shang Dynasty, that makes about 3200 years of history. Before that it's _pre-history_. It's a bit younger than Linear B, Old Avestan and Vedic Sanskrit. So in terms of a traceable, continuous culture China is at the fourth place of so. These days I'd probably be called a "historical nihilist" in China for saying that.
  - thaumasiotes 5y ago
    > It's a bit younger than Linear B, Old Avestan and Vedic Sanskrit. So in terms of a traceable, continuous culture China is at the fourth place of so. Linear B does not represent a traceable, continuous culture. Neither does Old Avestan.
    - Bayart 5y ago
      How so ? There's a case to be made for Linear B because of the Greek Dark Ages, but Old Avestan ? By that same token, Oracle Bone Script also doesn't represent a traceable and continuous culture.
      - thaumasiotes 5y ago
        Persia was conquered by iconoclastic foreigners. Many native traditions were lost, even the knowledge of how to read the old writings. Continuity was significantly interrupted. > There's a case to be made for Linear B because of the Greek Dark Ages That's sufficient to defeat the claim of cultural continuity, but note also that the case that Linear B has been deciphered at all isn't on the firmest ground.
        CRConrad 5y ago
        > Persia was conquered by iconoclastic foreigners. Spouting this as if it somehow justifies or reinforces the CCP's claim to China being the oldest and therefore most venerable of cultures is just continuing to give credence to their nationalist tropes. It's not as if China had never been conquered.
0cVlTeIATBs 5y ago
I visited in 2016, too. The fellow there recommended that to learn more about China I should visit Taiwan. At the time I thought that was a pessimistic point of view.
- poorjohnmacafee 5y ago
  Taiwan did seek to preserve the heritage of China after the communist takeover on the mainland, which sought to pretty much destroy said heritage in a cultural revolution.
arcticbull 5y ago
It would’ve been much more free under British rule towards the end but the mainland government pressured the UK not to allow that to happen in preparation for the handover.
- deleted 5y ago
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rohfle 5y ago
Looks like the museum moved online after its license was revoked a few months ago. Its in chinese only - but it looks like there are plans to translate into other languages Link to online museum: https://8964museum.com/ https://8964museum.com/ More info: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3143762/virtual-tiananmen-square-museum-crowdfunded-hong-kong-vigil https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3143762...

by psim1 5y ago

hunterb123 5y ago

Communist China has only had a mere 100 years compared to it's 5000 year history.

sneak 5y ago
This is a pretty interesting perspective to consider, too.
gibolt 5y ago
Not sure why you are being downvoted. During the communist revolution (in the 40s), the previous government was overthrown and escaped to Taiwan. That was when Mao and Communism took over. It is an interesting perspective Edited for accuracy, 'cultural' -> 'communist'
- skissane 5y ago
  > During the cultural revolution, the previous government was overthrown and escaped to Taiwan Not the Cultural Revolution. Cultural Revolution was in the 1960s, the Communist victory over the Nationalists and the Nationalists' flight to Taiwan was late 1940s. The "Cultural Revolution" was not a "revolution" in the classic sense. It was not an attempt to install a new government. It was a totalitarian exercise in which the Communist Party – led by Mao – attempted to eliminate every aspect of Chinese culture and society that wasn't enthusiastically communist
- patch_cable 5y ago
  That’s not what the cultural revolution was. The cultural revolution took place well after the CCP took over.
- vkou 5y ago
  > Not sure why you are being downvoted. During the communist revolution (in the 40s), the previous government was overthrown and escaped to Taiwan. Incorrect. The previous government of China (the Beiyang government) was overthrown by a collaboration between the CPC and the KMT (Which was led by Chiang Kai-shek). The CPC and the KMT then had a war, which the KMT lost - and fled to Taiwan. As a bonus, the KMT then proceeded to carry out the White Terror - 38 years of one-party rule, repression and martial law, which ostensibly purged Taiwan's of suspected or alleged communists.
SkyMarshal 5y ago
Even less actually. The CCP has existed for 100yrs (since 1921), but didn't control China till 1949. Communist China has only existed for 72yrs.
mensetmanusman 5y ago
I try to remind people of this all the time, it’s especially interesting since the leadership is trying to destroy artifacts of their history to fit a very recent narrative. They only occasionally use bits and pieces to talk about how they are in ancient culture, but they are rapidly becoming a very young culture in a historical sense.
khc 5y ago
and 5000 years of dictator rule, not sure what you are trying to say
Bayart 5y ago
>it's 5000 year history Please don't give credence to nonsensical nationalist tropes. The Oracle Bone Script goes back to about 1200 BC during the Shang Dynasty, that makes about 3200 years of history. Before that it's _pre-history_. It's a bit younger than Linear B, Old Avestan and Vedic Sanskrit. So in terms of a traceable, continuous culture China is at the fourth place of so. These days I'd probably be called a "historical nihilist" in China for saying that.
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  > It's a bit younger than Linear B, Old Avestan and Vedic Sanskrit. So in terms of a traceable, continuous culture China is at the fourth place of so. Linear B does not represent a traceable, continuous culture. Neither does Old Avestan.
  - Bayart 5y ago
    How so ? There's a case to be made for Linear B because of the Greek Dark Ages, but Old Avestan ? By that same token, Oracle Bone Script also doesn't represent a traceable and continuous culture.
    - thaumasiotes 5y ago
      Persia was conquered by iconoclastic foreigners. Many native traditions were lost, even the knowledge of how to read the old writings. Continuity was significantly interrupted. > There's a case to be made for Linear B because of the Greek Dark Ages That's sufficient to defeat the claim of cultural continuity, but note also that the case that Linear B has been deciphered at all isn't on the firmest ground.
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        > Persia was conquered by iconoclastic foreigners. Spouting this as if it somehow justifies or reinforces the CCP's claim to China being the oldest and therefore most venerable of cultures is just continuing to give credence to their nationalist tropes. It's not as if China had never been conquered.

0cVlTeIATBs 5y ago

I visited in 2016, too. The fellow there recommended that to learn more about China I should visit Taiwan. At the time I thought that was a pessimistic point of view.

poorjohnmacafee 5y ago
Taiwan did seek to preserve the heritage of China after the communist takeover on the mainland, which sought to pretty much destroy said heritage in a cultural revolution.

arcticbull 5y ago

It would’ve been much more free under British rule towards the end but the mainland government pressured the UK not to allow that to happen in preparation for the handover.

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rohfle 5y ago

Looks like the museum moved online after its license was revoked a few months ago. Its in chinese only - but it looks like there are plans to translate into other languages Link to online museum: https://8964museum.com/ https://8964museum.com/ More info: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3143762/virtual-tiananmen-square-museum-crowdfunded-hong-kong-vigil https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3143762...