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Your vaccine does not work unless someone or everyone else has one? Has this been observed with previous vaccine products?

by sk2020 5y ago

spywaregorilla 5y ago
Everyone getting vaccinated has clear benefits, and helps avoids breakouts. See mumps, measles, polio, etc.
- sk2020 5y ago
  Well, probably not the people with myocarditis or Bell’s palsy.
betterunix2 5y ago
Yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_infection#By_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_infection#By_dise... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity Do not think in terms of "your vaccine," because vaccines are about preventing the spread of a disease within a population.
- sk2020 5y ago
  That’s interesting. Every other vaccine, like Hep A, Hep B, MMR, TDAP, and flu I’ve taken was to protect myself, or so I thought. But if someone with an account on Wikipedia wrote something, well, I guess that would change everything. I guess we’re lucky to have people who care so deeply and personally about hospital bed utilization rates that they will inflict as much punishment as necessary to meet those goals.
  - betterunix2 5y ago
    Every other vaccine you have received was meant to protect the population you live in (which includes yourself); sorry, but you thought wrong. As for hospital bed utilization, maybe you would be less dismissive if you took a trip to Idaho and got into a car accident: https://healthandwelfare.idaho.gov/news/idaho-activates-crisis-standards-care-north-idaho-due-surge-covid-19-patients-requiring https://healthandwelfare.idaho.gov/news/idaho-activates-cris... Broken arm? Not life-threatening, here's some pain killers, go away and let us deal with these COVID patients. Or maybe, "This one has less than a 10% chance of survival. Let him die, we need to focus on saving people who are more likely to make it."
  - enragedcacti 5y ago
    FYI wikipedia requires references to a reputable source. Feel free to read some of the 100 references for herd immunity here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity#References https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity#References
    - sk2020 5y ago
      100 references is a big round number for sure. I’m guessing these address treatments that do not prevent infection or transmission.
- nradov 5y ago
  The Delta variant is so contagious that there will be no significant herd immunity effect. So I would encourage everyone to get vaccinated to protect themselves. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
- benf76 5y ago
  Yes but here immunity is impossible :-/ https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...

Your vaccine does not work unless someone or everyone else has one? Has this been observed with previous vaccine products?

by sk2020 5y ago

Your vaccine does not work unless someone or everyone else has one? Has this been observed with previous vaccine products?

spywaregorilla 5y ago

Everyone getting vaccinated has clear benefits, and helps avoids breakouts. See mumps, measles, polio, etc.

sk2020 5y ago
Well, probably not the people with myocarditis or Bell’s palsy.

betterunix2 5y ago

Yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_infection#By_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_infection#By_dise... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity Do not think in terms of "your vaccine," because vaccines are about preventing the spread of a disease within a population.

sk2020 5y ago
That’s interesting. Every other vaccine, like Hep A, Hep B, MMR, TDAP, and flu I’ve taken was to protect myself, or so I thought. But if someone with an account on Wikipedia wrote something, well, I guess that would change everything. I guess we’re lucky to have people who care so deeply and personally about hospital bed utilization rates that they will inflict as much punishment as necessary to meet those goals.
- betterunix2 5y ago
  Every other vaccine you have received was meant to protect the population you live in (which includes yourself); sorry, but you thought wrong. As for hospital bed utilization, maybe you would be less dismissive if you took a trip to Idaho and got into a car accident: https://healthandwelfare.idaho.gov/news/idaho-activates-crisis-standards-care-north-idaho-due-surge-covid-19-patients-requiring https://healthandwelfare.idaho.gov/news/idaho-activates-cris... Broken arm? Not life-threatening, here's some pain killers, go away and let us deal with these COVID patients. Or maybe, "This one has less than a 10% chance of survival. Let him die, we need to focus on saving people who are more likely to make it."
- enragedcacti 5y ago
  FYI wikipedia requires references to a reputable source. Feel free to read some of the 100 references for herd immunity here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity#References https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity#References
  - sk2020 5y ago
    100 references is a big round number for sure. I’m guessing these address treatments that do not prevent infection or transmission.
nradov 5y ago
The Delta variant is so contagious that there will be no significant herd immunity effect. So I would encourage everyone to get vaccinated to protect themselves. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
benf76 5y ago
Yes but here immunity is impossible :-/ https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...