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But they would earn more money from regular ad revenue, presumably. You're painting a rather bleak picture -- that the majority of creators/influencers' conten

But they would earn more money from regular ad revenue, presumably. You're painting a rather bleak picture -- that the majority of creators/influencers' content is advertising. If that's the case, I'm not sure why Youtube/Instagram should also tolerate that -- it's basically spam on their platform they haven't curated through their ad network.

hutzlibu 5y ago
Spam is something nobody wants. The influencers videos quite some people want to see despite their sneaky ads. So youtube gets views, too.
- katbyte 5y ago
  Not all sponsored ads are sneaky, a number of YouTube channels I watch do hilarious skits for each one at the end of their videos which I think is a win for everyone involved.
  - djur 5y ago
    At this point I don't think there's a single channel I watch that produces original content for YouTube (as opposed to, say, speedruns of video games or stream recordings) that is not sponsored. The last few holdouts gave in just a year or two ago. Just like podcasts, they'll do an ad read before, in the middle of, or after the video. I've gotten very used to skipping them.
- slapfrog 5y ago
  > Spam is something nobody wants. Spam is something the recipient doesn't want. What is or isn't spam is subjectively determined by each individual recipient. If spam were strictly determined by what nobody wants, requiring complete consensus, then nothing would be spam because in a world of 7 billion people there will always be one nut who welcomes the unrequested solicitation.
cwkoss 5y ago
I don't think most influencers can make a living with just ad content. Many are using sponsorships and ada and barely getting by.
Cederfjard 5y ago
> But they would earn more money from regular ad revenue, presumably. I’m not sure why you would presume that. Also, product placement has been a standard feature of entertainment for a long time. I don’t see why you’d expect Google and Facebook to be the ones to take a stand on this, after all this time.
djur 5y ago
The platform is essentially getting a cut -- their own ad revenue -- from content producers who are financially supported via sponsorship/paid content. Right now it's just economically not feasible for the platforms to force themselves into that sponsorship relationship without risking an exodus of their most profitable users. And Google doesn't really want to be in the business of individually managing influencers' relationships with brands, anyway.
ajhurliman 5y ago
Brand deals are the majority of their income, but not the majority of their content. This just means the platforms aren't paying very much, since the platforms are advertising on _all_ their content and yet creators are managing to earn ~80% of their income through brand deals on a tiny fraction of their content. 58% of creators post 16 or less sponsored posts a year, and those with more followers post even less[0], while the majority of creators post significantly more content than that. Creators are very careful not to overwhelm their audience with ads; their audience (and their portability to new platforms/ channels) is their number one asset since they may need to jump to new platforms in the future as their channels can get demonetized/ banned for frivolous reasons. [0] https://influencermarketinghub.com/creator-earnings-benchmark-report/ https://influencermarketinghub.com/creator-earnings-benchmar...
- dathinab 5y ago
  > _all_ their content Except if they believe you are not advertisement friendly content. Like any discussion or educational material about any touchy topic gets not ads (and there are a lot of such thinks). YT accidentally mistaking a think you sayd as a black listed swear word (even if you didn't say it and are not even speaking in the language its from and it just sound similar) => No Ad Money. Politics => No Ad Money. Covering Covid related thinks => No Ad Money. Covering local news including violence => No Ad Money. etc...
asdff 5y ago
Youtube et al tolerate it because these influencers posts ultimately mean more eyes are fixed on the platform to watch the actual first party advertisements. Having these influencers rely on third party sponsored posts for their funding means that youtube doesn't have to pay them very much at all.
- cma 5y ago
  And they can eventually change terms to charge a percentage, maybe only on the biggest channels for ease of enforcement, like record labels eventually started doing with concert tickets and merch.
  - asdff 5y ago
    How would they even do that? Music artists are free to make their own endorsements without having to pay their label.
    - pbhjpbhj 5y ago
      Surely just by contract when they get a 'record deal', and practically by hiring the accountant who does the artists books to make sure they don't try and earn without paying the masters?
dathinab 5y ago
> that the majority of creators/influencers' content is advertising. Advertising embedded in the content as sponsor callouts and similar (often paying way better then YT ad sense), this includes showcases of sponsored content and similar. Which if it's properly labeled is not a problem. But as far as I know many big YT channels can NOT live from YT ad sense/network money. Some won't even get any at all due to YouTubes (IMHO overreaching) classification of content into advertisement friendly or not.
erosenbe0 5y ago
A lot of content contains or is funded by a product placement but is otherwise not advertising. For example, a guy is teaching me to fix a generic, unbranded toilet issue but stops to mention a particular widget or toolbelt he is being paid to use. Next video he is teaching me to fix a sump pump and there again he mentions his sponsored plumbing gear. This is fine by me. I learn how to fix things and some plumbing widget company pays the bill.

hutzlibu 5y ago

Spam is something nobody wants. The influencers videos quite some people want to see despite their sneaky ads. So youtube gets views, too.

katbyte 5y ago
Not all sponsored ads are sneaky, a number of YouTube channels I watch do hilarious skits for each one at the end of their videos which I think is a win for everyone involved.
- djur 5y ago
  At this point I don't think there's a single channel I watch that produces original content for YouTube (as opposed to, say, speedruns of video games or stream recordings) that is not sponsored. The last few holdouts gave in just a year or two ago. Just like podcasts, they'll do an ad read before, in the middle of, or after the video. I've gotten very used to skipping them.
slapfrog 5y ago
> Spam is something nobody wants. Spam is something the recipient doesn't want. What is or isn't spam is subjectively determined by each individual recipient. If spam were strictly determined by what nobody wants, requiring complete consensus, then nothing would be spam because in a world of 7 billion people there will always be one nut who welcomes the unrequested solicitation.

cwkoss 5y ago

I don't think most influencers can make a living with just ad content. Many are using sponsorships and ada and barely getting by.

Cederfjard 5y ago

> But they would earn more money from regular ad revenue, presumably. I’m not sure why you would presume that. Also, product placement has been a standard feature of entertainment for a long time. I don’t see why you’d expect Google and Facebook to be the ones to take a stand on this, after all this time.

djur 5y ago

The platform is essentially getting a cut -- their own ad revenue -- from content producers who are financially supported via sponsorship/paid content. Right now it's just economically not feasible for the platforms to force themselves into that sponsorship relationship without risking an exodus of their most profitable users. And Google doesn't really want to be in the business of individually managing influencers' relationships with brands, anyway.

ajhurliman 5y ago

Brand deals are the majority of their income, but not the majority of their content. This just means the platforms aren't paying very much, since the platforms are advertising on _all_ their content and yet creators are managing to earn ~80% of their income through brand deals on a tiny fraction of their content. 58% of creators post 16 or less sponsored posts a year, and those with more followers post even less[0], while the majority of creators post significantly more content than that. Creators are very careful not to overwhelm their audience with ads; their audience (and their portability to new platforms/ channels) is their number one asset since they may need to jump to new platforms in the future as their channels can get demonetized/ banned for frivolous reasons. [0] https://influencermarketinghub.com/creator-earnings-benchmark-report/ https://influencermarketinghub.com/creator-earnings-benchmar...

dathinab 5y ago
> _all_ their content Except if they believe you are not advertisement friendly content. Like any discussion or educational material about any touchy topic gets not ads (and there are a lot of such thinks). YT accidentally mistaking a think you sayd as a black listed swear word (even if you didn't say it and are not even speaking in the language its from and it just sound similar) => No Ad Money. Politics => No Ad Money. Covering Covid related thinks => No Ad Money. Covering local news including violence => No Ad Money. etc...

asdff 5y ago

Youtube et al tolerate it because these influencers posts ultimately mean more eyes are fixed on the platform to watch the actual first party advertisements. Having these influencers rely on third party sponsored posts for their funding means that youtube doesn't have to pay them very much at all.

cma 5y ago
And they can eventually change terms to charge a percentage, maybe only on the biggest channels for ease of enforcement, like record labels eventually started doing with concert tickets and merch.
- asdff 5y ago
  How would they even do that? Music artists are free to make their own endorsements without having to pay their label.
  - pbhjpbhj 5y ago
    Surely just by contract when they get a 'record deal', and practically by hiring the accountant who does the artists books to make sure they don't try and earn without paying the masters?

dathinab 5y ago

> that the majority of creators/influencers' content is advertising. Advertising embedded in the content as sponsor callouts and similar (often paying way better then YT ad sense), this includes showcases of sponsored content and similar. Which if it's properly labeled is not a problem. But as far as I know many big YT channels can NOT live from YT ad sense/network money. Some won't even get any at all due to YouTubes (IMHO overreaching) classification of content into advertisement friendly or not.

erosenbe0 5y ago

A lot of content contains or is funded by a product placement but is otherwise not advertising. For example, a guy is teaching me to fix a generic, unbranded toilet issue but stops to mention a particular widget or toolbelt he is being paid to use. Next video he is teaching me to fix a sump pump and there again he mentions his sponsored plumbing gear. This is fine by me. I learn how to fix things and some plumbing widget company pays the bill.