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How does this work? You need to be full-time at work, but also somehow manage college classes? How can you fit anything after an exhausting 40 hours of work per

by yboris 5y ago

How does this work? You need to be full-time at work, but also somehow manage college classes? How can you fit anything after an exhausting 40 hours of work per week?

aejnsn 5y ago
There are 128 hours left in a given 40-hour work week. Edit: funny the downvotes cannot disprove my simple math. :)
rareform 5y ago
> employees must continue working part-time or full-time at Amazon while taking classes. From: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/business/amazon-college-tuition-benefit-jobs/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/business/amazon-college-tuiti...
ronnier 5y ago
I worked 40 hours a week and full time undergrad and grad school. You work, go to school when you aren't working and when you aren't doing either of those, you sit in the library and study.
- mabbo 5y ago
  When do you sleep? I worked part-time while an undergrad and it was almost too much for me.
  - dmoy 5y ago
    You would generally do part time undergrad and full time work.
  - ronnier 5y ago
    From midnight to 7:30 am
- TrueGeek 5y ago
  My wife is currently finishing her masters while working 40 hours a week and still being a mom. It's very stressful, but she's killing it. One of the harder parts (aside from the long nights) was finding an internship that was flexible with her schedule.
  - shados 5y ago
    I would absolutely die with half of those responsibilities. Kudo to your partner.
    - deleted 5y ago
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  - munificent 5y ago
    > finishing her masters while working 40 hours a week and still being a mom. I can imagine doing any two of those, with some difficulty. Doing all three is insane. Is her bloodstream, like, 30% caffeine?
  - hellbannedguy 5y ago
    I guarantee she's not delivering packages for Amazon. I once heard they were suspose to deliver 500 packages a day. I hope to a higher power I got that wrong.
    - q1w2 5y ago
      > I once heard they were suspose to deliver 500 packages a day. That number is obviously wrong. Question your sources.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  It's completely doable. My mom went back to school at 40 and retired in her 60s with a Masters. Was it hard on her... yes. Most things worth doing take hard work. A lot of people always find a way to blame their issues on something external. Oh it's too expensive! Oh there's not enough time! Oh someone should do it for me! Oh that person just got lucky! Maybe some of that's true, but it doesn't really matter. Take the cards you're dealt and do something with them. Or.. you can just fold and keep blaming it on something else.
xeromal 5y ago
It's not mandatory.
arwhatever 5y ago
When you get a week off from school and only have your 40 hour work week, you realize that you don't know what to do with yourself, having (temporarily) forgotten how to fill your spare time with personal activities. (But don't worry - you'll regrow that skill quickly once you're done with your schooling.) :-)
- lexapro 5y ago
  So true. A 40 hour work week without school feels like you're on vacation. It's so weird when the clock turns 5pm and you're just done with work and have no further responsibilities.
ok_coo 5y ago
You don't have a life and it's difficult for ~4 years. You live/breath/eat work and school. If you have a family, good luck. I did it in my 20s and would not do it now as my body has aged.
1123581321 5y ago
Lots of adults work themselves through college. It’s not easy but life doesn’t always allow the “college experience.”
dreyfan 5y ago
> How can you fit anything after an exhausting 40 hours of work per week? You must not know any single parents. Humans are extremely capable when it comes to important things.
- dharmab 5y ago
  Heck, any parents with multiple jobs and small children.
Frost1x 5y ago
>"We launched Career Choice almost ten years ago to help remove the biggest barriers to continuing education—time and money—and we are now expanding it even further to pay full tuition and add several new fields of study.” They acknowledge the two key constraints but aside from one program for AWS that supposedly provides on the job training, they failed to mention how they helped on the time aspect, only money. 40 hours at Amazon from my anecdata seems highly optimistic, it's probably 50 for many. I'm highly cyninical of any of these such programs. The last thing I want is a privatized business like Amazon trying to educate and having incentives to lock people into their ecosystem at a fundamental level such as education. Education should acknowledge the downsides of Amazon as well as the upsides and I doubt you'll see much of any of the former. On a likely related note, I had 4 Amazon recruiters contact me in the past two days which is higher than normal (at least, for me) even after I've told multiple recruiters I'm not interested in working at Amazon until they have a shift in how they treat their labor culture. Frankly I'm not even a good fit for most the types of development Amazon is interested in. My, again, cynical view here from anecdata of Amazon employees is that Amazon is struggling more than most to hire in tech careers, largely because they've turned off many who have other options. Higher pay to many isn't worth higher associated stress and instability. This looks like a new flailing attempt to plug the hole or perhaps set the stage to request special exemptions or drastic increases on H1B programs to again try and drive down labor rates while also help meet their demand.
- the_only_law 5y ago
  > On a likely related note, I had 4 Amazon recruiters contact me in the past two days which is higher than normal (at least, for me) even after I've told multiple recruiters I'm not interested in working at Amazon until they have a shift in how they treat their labor culture. Frankly I'm not even a good fit for most the types of development Amazon is interested in. They must be desperate. They’re the closest thing to a tech company that has recruiters send me a message and the only FAANG that ever would contact me. That being said the recruiter messages always feel robotic and impersonal, even worse than the keyword dumps from guys shilling there shitty low paid c2h enterprise roles. I just ignore them. Not interested in the FAANG interview circus anyway.
- 5y ago
silisili 5y ago
As others have pointed out, it's not too bad in your early 20's. I worked full time, went to school part time, then to another part time job. Mainly because my local didn't offer evening full time schools, and well, I needed money more. What's odd is that it didn't even feel like much of a chore. You stayed so busy things just kinda flew by. Thinking about doing that now completely stresses me out.
gavinray 5y ago
A lot (most?) people who don't come from affluent backgrounds have to put themselves through school while working fulltime. You can't pay your house/apartment and other bills without a fulltime job, so if you want to go to college to try to get in a better life position, you've got to do it on top of also working fulltime. I tried to do this for a while as a teen -- I worked as a landscaper all day, then would ride a bus 1 hour each way to night classes at a community college. Said FUCK THAT and dropped out after 2 semesters. I applaud anyone who can actually do this. I'm not sure I could finish college even with zero responsibilities, you have to take so many boring classes you don't care about as pre-requisites.
- maerF0x0 5y ago
  In my personal experience I'm pretty sure I earned more money per hour by getting awesome grades + scholarships than I would have on minimum wage. It's a bit of a chicken and egg issue, but if you can make do in the the gap (about a year), then you can ride the scholarships money better than a job C's get degrees, but the marginal difference between a C and and A wasn't all that much time.
  - gavinray 5y ago
    Yeah, if I could go back and tell my 16 year old self not to do drugs and drop out of highschool because college is really, really expensive I would. I probably wouldn't listen though haha. It's entirely your own doing if you don't get good grades IMO unless you have a legitimate disability. But some people were idiots when they were younger, or had other (questionable) priorities. I've also heard really sad life situations where teens wind up essentially having to take care of their siblings and the household due to dysfunctional parents or other stuff. Because yeah, if your pubescent, immature brain decides that you have better things to do than schoolwork, you've really screwed the pooch and lost your shot. Can't well go back to highschool and try over, haha. (It worked out okay for me, I eventually got a GED and that's it. Never finished highschool or went to college, but programmed for fun as a kid and so managed to worm my way into software eventually. It probably would not have worked out in about a billion other scenarios, RIP)
- 5y ago
siva7 5y ago
it's doable but it takes a special kind of person to pull this off successfully - not easy.
lexapro 5y ago
I'm doing that. I have classmates that do the same while also managing small kids.
alex_sf 5y ago
Well, you start by not acting like 40 hours a week is an insurmountable mountain and all you can muster.
decebalus1 5y ago
I worked a full time tech job from the start of my senior year of college all the way though my master's degree. All I can say is 'never again'. 20yo me was able to sort of handle it and I had to do a lot of schedule juggling (I was lucky that both my workplace and my university offered some degree of flexibility). Most of my workdays were booked back-to-back from 8 AM to 8 PM, failed a couple of classes and had to repeat a bunch of exams, it was pretty rough. The money was good but I didn't have the time to do anything with that. Looking back, It was a mistake, I had all the time in the world for a full time job after finishing college. This was happening before and during a recession so the main reason was that I was anxious I would be left out of the workforce if I left my job..
plandis 5y ago
Many college students already do this. I know I did. It’s only the rich with the luxury to not work.
tester756 5y ago
I'm not saying that that's the case but "here" you can attend college at weekends, so every two weekends you spend weekend at school This allows you to work full time and study
CountDrewku 5y ago
It's worked for millions of people for many years. Some things are hard. If you want it you'll work for it. I realize this is some foreign concept to people that grow up and have their parents hand them everything. A lot of people work during college and are able to get less loans because of it. Weird eh? My mom did it at 40 with 3 kids. She retired last year with a masters. Every bit of it was done while working. I'm starting to understand boomers more lately. The comments on here reek of entitlement.
XnoiVeX 5y ago
I earned two masters degrees working a full time job and raising two kids. You have to want it badly to make it happen. Its about equal opportunity. Not equal outcome.
- bestcoder69 5y ago
  I know you already did this, but for others reading this: Just get a damn loan. No ones gonna give you a cookie for suffering. Unless you hate spare time or your masters is a “just show up” kinda program.
jcranberry 5y ago
I took 2 classes while doing a full time summer internship when I was in college. It wasn't too difficult. If you can get 2 courses in during each summer that's a typical masters degree in 2 years.

by yboris 5y ago

How does this work? You need to be full-time at work, but also somehow manage college classes? How can you fit anything after an exhausting 40 hours of work per week?

aejnsn 5y ago

There are 128 hours left in a given 40-hour work week. Edit: funny the downvotes cannot disprove my simple math. :)

rareform 5y ago

> employees must continue working part-time or full-time at Amazon while taking classes. From: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/business/amazon-college-tuition-benefit-jobs/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/business/amazon-college-tuiti...

ronnier 5y ago

I worked 40 hours a week and full time undergrad and grad school. You work, go to school when you aren't working and when you aren't doing either of those, you sit in the library and study.

mabbo 5y ago
When do you sleep? I worked part-time while an undergrad and it was almost too much for me.
- dmoy 5y ago
  You would generally do part time undergrad and full time work.
- ronnier 5y ago
  From midnight to 7:30 am
TrueGeek 5y ago
My wife is currently finishing her masters while working 40 hours a week and still being a mom. It's very stressful, but she's killing it. One of the harder parts (aside from the long nights) was finding an internship that was flexible with her schedule.
- shados 5y ago
  I would absolutely die with half of those responsibilities. Kudo to your partner.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- munificent 5y ago
  > finishing her masters while working 40 hours a week and still being a mom. I can imagine doing any two of those, with some difficulty. Doing all three is insane. Is her bloodstream, like, 30% caffeine?
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  I guarantee she's not delivering packages for Amazon. I once heard they were suspose to deliver 500 packages a day. I hope to a higher power I got that wrong.
  - q1w2 5y ago
    > I once heard they were suspose to deliver 500 packages a day. That number is obviously wrong. Question your sources.
CountDrewku 5y ago
It's completely doable. My mom went back to school at 40 and retired in her 60s with a Masters. Was it hard on her... yes. Most things worth doing take hard work. A lot of people always find a way to blame their issues on something external. Oh it's too expensive! Oh there's not enough time! Oh someone should do it for me! Oh that person just got lucky! Maybe some of that's true, but it doesn't really matter. Take the cards you're dealt and do something with them. Or.. you can just fold and keep blaming it on something else.

xeromal 5y ago

It's not mandatory.

arwhatever 5y ago

When you get a week off from school and only have your 40 hour work week, you realize that you don't know what to do with yourself, having (temporarily) forgotten how to fill your spare time with personal activities. (But don't worry - you'll regrow that skill quickly once you're done with your schooling.) :-)

lexapro 5y ago
So true. A 40 hour work week without school feels like you're on vacation. It's so weird when the clock turns 5pm and you're just done with work and have no further responsibilities.

ok_coo 5y ago

You don't have a life and it's difficult for ~4 years. You live/breath/eat work and school. If you have a family, good luck. I did it in my 20s and would not do it now as my body has aged.

1123581321 5y ago

Lots of adults work themselves through college. It’s not easy but life doesn’t always allow the “college experience.”

dreyfan 5y ago

> How can you fit anything after an exhausting 40 hours of work per week? You must not know any single parents. Humans are extremely capable when it comes to important things.

dharmab 5y ago
Heck, any parents with multiple jobs and small children.

Frost1x 5y ago

>"We launched Career Choice almost ten years ago to help remove the biggest barriers to continuing education—time and money—and we are now expanding it even further to pay full tuition and add several new fields of study.” They acknowledge the two key constraints but aside from one program for AWS that supposedly provides on the job training, they failed to mention how they helped on the time aspect, only money. 40 hours at Amazon from my anecdata seems highly optimistic, it's probably 50 for many. I'm highly cyninical of any of these such programs. The last thing I want is a privatized business like Amazon trying to educate and having incentives to lock people into their ecosystem at a fundamental level such as education. Education should acknowledge the downsides of Amazon as well as the upsides and I doubt you'll see much of any of the former. On a likely related note, I had 4 Amazon recruiters contact me in the past two days which is higher than normal (at least, for me) even after I've told multiple recruiters I'm not interested in working at Amazon until they have a shift in how they treat their labor culture. Frankly I'm not even a good fit for most the types of development Amazon is interested in. My, again, cynical view here from anecdata of Amazon employees is that Amazon is struggling more than most to hire in tech careers, largely because they've turned off many who have other options. Higher pay to many isn't worth higher associated stress and instability. This looks like a new flailing attempt to plug the hole or perhaps set the stage to request special exemptions or drastic increases on H1B programs to again try and drive down labor rates while also help meet their demand.

the_only_law 5y ago
> On a likely related note, I had 4 Amazon recruiters contact me in the past two days which is higher than normal (at least, for me) even after I've told multiple recruiters I'm not interested in working at Amazon until they have a shift in how they treat their labor culture. Frankly I'm not even a good fit for most the types of development Amazon is interested in. They must be desperate. They’re the closest thing to a tech company that has recruiters send me a message and the only FAANG that ever would contact me. That being said the recruiter messages always feel robotic and impersonal, even worse than the keyword dumps from guys shilling there shitty low paid c2h enterprise roles. I just ignore them. Not interested in the FAANG interview circus anyway.
5y ago

silisili 5y ago

As others have pointed out, it's not too bad in your early 20's. I worked full time, went to school part time, then to another part time job. Mainly because my local didn't offer evening full time schools, and well, I needed money more. What's odd is that it didn't even feel like much of a chore. You stayed so busy things just kinda flew by. Thinking about doing that now completely stresses me out.

gavinray 5y ago

A lot (most?) people who don't come from affluent backgrounds have to put themselves through school while working fulltime. You can't pay your house/apartment and other bills without a fulltime job, so if you want to go to college to try to get in a better life position, you've got to do it on top of also working fulltime. I tried to do this for a while as a teen -- I worked as a landscaper all day, then would ride a bus 1 hour each way to night classes at a community college. Said FUCK THAT and dropped out after 2 semesters. I applaud anyone who can actually do this. I'm not sure I could finish college even with zero responsibilities, you have to take so many boring classes you don't care about as pre-requisites.

maerF0x0 5y ago
In my personal experience I'm pretty sure I earned more money per hour by getting awesome grades + scholarships than I would have on minimum wage. It's a bit of a chicken and egg issue, but if you can make do in the the gap (about a year), then you can ride the scholarships money better than a job C's get degrees, but the marginal difference between a C and and A wasn't all that much time.
- gavinray 5y ago
  Yeah, if I could go back and tell my 16 year old self not to do drugs and drop out of highschool because college is really, really expensive I would. I probably wouldn't listen though haha. It's entirely your own doing if you don't get good grades IMO unless you have a legitimate disability. But some people were idiots when they were younger, or had other (questionable) priorities. I've also heard really sad life situations where teens wind up essentially having to take care of their siblings and the household due to dysfunctional parents or other stuff. Because yeah, if your pubescent, immature brain decides that you have better things to do than schoolwork, you've really screwed the pooch and lost your shot. Can't well go back to highschool and try over, haha. (It worked out okay for me, I eventually got a GED and that's it. Never finished highschool or went to college, but programmed for fun as a kid and so managed to worm my way into software eventually. It probably would not have worked out in about a billion other scenarios, RIP)
5y ago

siva7 5y ago

it's doable but it takes a special kind of person to pull this off successfully - not easy.

lexapro 5y ago

I'm doing that. I have classmates that do the same while also managing small kids.

alex_sf 5y ago

Well, you start by not acting like 40 hours a week is an insurmountable mountain and all you can muster.

decebalus1 5y ago

I worked a full time tech job from the start of my senior year of college all the way though my master's degree. All I can say is 'never again'. 20yo me was able to sort of handle it and I had to do a lot of schedule juggling (I was lucky that both my workplace and my university offered some degree of flexibility). Most of my workdays were booked back-to-back from 8 AM to 8 PM, failed a couple of classes and had to repeat a bunch of exams, it was pretty rough. The money was good but I didn't have the time to do anything with that. Looking back, It was a mistake, I had all the time in the world for a full time job after finishing college. This was happening before and during a recession so the main reason was that I was anxious I would be left out of the workforce if I left my job..

plandis 5y ago

Many college students already do this. I know I did. It’s only the rich with the luxury to not work.

tester756 5y ago

I'm not saying that that's the case but "here" you can attend college at weekends, so every two weekends you spend weekend at school This allows you to work full time and study

CountDrewku 5y ago

It's worked for millions of people for many years. Some things are hard. If you want it you'll work for it. I realize this is some foreign concept to people that grow up and have their parents hand them everything. A lot of people work during college and are able to get less loans because of it. Weird eh? My mom did it at 40 with 3 kids. She retired last year with a masters. Every bit of it was done while working. I'm starting to understand boomers more lately. The comments on here reek of entitlement.

XnoiVeX 5y ago

I earned two masters degrees working a full time job and raising two kids. You have to want it badly to make it happen. Its about equal opportunity. Not equal outcome.

bestcoder69 5y ago
I know you already did this, but for others reading this: Just get a damn loan. No ones gonna give you a cookie for suffering. Unless you hate spare time or your masters is a “just show up” kinda program.

jcranberry 5y ago

I took 2 classes while doing a full time summer internship when I was in college. It wasn't too difficult. If you can get 2 courses in during each summer that's a typical masters degree in 2 years.