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> any Canadian who admits to smoking pot (now legal in Canada) Also completely legal, for recreational use, in 6 of the 10 US states that border Canada, and l

> any Canadian who admits to smoking pot (now legal in Canada) Also completely legal, for recreational use, in 6 of the 10 US states that border Canada, and legal for medicinal use in 9 of the 10 states, Idaho being the only hold-out. This is getting pretty silly now, no?

mbg721 5y ago
People seem to forget that at a federal level, marijuana is still a Schedule I drug and is illegal to possess; if the feds decided suddenly to remember that, all hell could break loose at any moment. The guys guarding the border don't get their paychecks from Madison or St. Paul or Olympia or Albany, they get them from Washington, DC.
- derefr 5y ago
  That doesn't quite justify it. Even Schedule I drugs are still legal to possess with a proper prescription from a doctor. There's prescription methamphetamine (Desoxyn), for example. As such, would the US object if I took THC under prescription in an in-patient medical context in another country, and then attempted to enter? And if they wouldn't object, then why would they suddenly object if I didn't get prescribed the THC, but rather purchased it over the counter, under advisement of a doctor? (After all, this is how most legal, OTC medications work. Doctors in outpatient settings don't prescribe you e.g. aspirin; they just tell you to "take two aspirin and call me if it doesn't feel better." They assume you can get your own aspirin without their help.)
  - mbg721 5y ago
    As the kids say, "Dude, this is America." Why would merely having a prescription and a reasonable excuse help you with the border patrol? Maybe you'd get a sympathetic guy that day and maybe you wouldn't.
    - derefr 5y ago
      Because I'm pretty sure you can bring pretty much any prescribed drug in its labelled dispensed container — even the Desoxyn! — with you over the border into the US. So it'd be weird if THC was an exception to that; and doubly weird if just having ever been prescribed THC was worse for you than literally carrying a pill bottle full of meth in your bag.
      - filoleg 5y ago
        >you can bring pretty much any prescribed drug in its labelled dispensed container — even the Desoxyn! — with you over the border into the US. >So it'd be weird if THC was an exception to that As others in the thread have already mentioned, Desoxyn is schedule 2, while Cannabis is federally schedule 1 (with lower schedule number being more restricted). So no, THC isn't an exception, it is a part of the same rule system. The one in which schedule 2 drugs have more legal privileges than schedule 1 drugs.
        inter_netuser 5y ago
        the active ingredient of desoxyn, methamphetamine is schedule 1. Plenty of substances are dual scheduled, desoxyn is just most prominent example.
        josephcsible 5y ago
        This doesn't appear to be true: https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/orangebook/c_cs_alpha.pdf https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/orangebook/c_cs... Are you sure you're not getting it mixed up with MDMA or something?
        filoleg 5y ago
        This is where you are wrong, methamphetamine is schedule 2 in the US[0][1]. 0. https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs5/5049/5049p.pdf https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs5/5049/5049p.pdf 1. https://www.goodrx.com/methamphetamine/what-is https://www.goodrx.com/methamphetamine/what-is
  - taurath 5y ago
    Last I checked both meth and heroin were schedule II - which sort of has always been one of the craziest things about US drug policy. It’s almost entirely a political control thing
    - inter_netuser 5y ago
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      - josephcsible 5y ago
        As I pointed out in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28466243 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28466243, this doesn't appear to be true.
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  - nradov 5y ago
    That's not correct under current federal law. Doctors can't write prescriptions for Schedule I drugs. They can only legally be used with special permission for research. https://www.dea.gov/drug-information/drug-scheduling https://www.dea.gov/drug-information/drug-scheduling (I don't agree with this, just explaining the law.)
    - derefr 5y ago
      Alright, so does that mean that if you’re a foreign citizen; and while you’re in the US, you volunteer to be a test subject for a pharmacological research program; and they give you a Schedule I drug as part of that research; then you can be deported for taking it?
      - nradov 5y ago
        No that wouldn't be grounds for a criminal conviction and thus wouldn't trigger deportation proceedings. Note that for clinical trials of controlled substances the researchers generally directly administer the drug in a secure facility. So legally the test subjects are never technically in possession of a controlled substance.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    > Even Schedule I drugs are still legal to possess with a proper prescription from a doctor. There's prescription methamphetamine (Desoxyn), for example. No they're not. Desoxyn is only legal with a prescription because methamphetamine is a schedule II drug, not a schedule I drug.
    - kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
      Primarily so soldiers and pilots can take it.
      - DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
        Nah, they just take regular dextroampehetamine - methamphetamine is particularly neurotoxic. There probably is some shadowy special-forces division that gets the cool stuff but I gather that even amongst the USAF's endurance fighter squadrons you won't see much stimulant use: it's too much of a liability, and the services really don't want human-liabilities piloting hundred-million-dollar supersonic death-machines. Fun-fact: the Nazis used meth, then known as "Pervatin" - but then they also mixed it with cocaine and oxycodone and called it "D-IX" - sounds like quite the party: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-IX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-IX
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- anigbrowl 5y ago
  Nobody is forgetting it; they think it's stupid and wrong.

mbg721 5y ago

People seem to forget that at a federal level, marijuana is still a Schedule I drug and is illegal to possess; if the feds decided suddenly to remember that, all hell could break loose at any moment. The guys guarding the border don't get their paychecks from Madison or St. Paul or Olympia or Albany, they get them from Washington, DC.

derefr 5y ago
That doesn't quite justify it. Even Schedule I drugs are still legal to possess with a proper prescription from a doctor. There's prescription methamphetamine (Desoxyn), for example. As such, would the US object if I took THC under prescription in an in-patient medical context in another country, and then attempted to enter? And if they wouldn't object, then why would they suddenly object if I didn't get prescribed the THC, but rather purchased it over the counter, under advisement of a doctor? (After all, this is how most legal, OTC medications work. Doctors in outpatient settings don't prescribe you e.g. aspirin; they just tell you to "take two aspirin and call me if it doesn't feel better." They assume you can get your own aspirin without their help.)
- mbg721 5y ago
  As the kids say, "Dude, this is America." Why would merely having a prescription and a reasonable excuse help you with the border patrol? Maybe you'd get a sympathetic guy that day and maybe you wouldn't.
  - derefr 5y ago
    Because I'm pretty sure you can bring pretty much any prescribed drug in its labelled dispensed container — even the Desoxyn! — with you over the border into the US. So it'd be weird if THC was an exception to that; and doubly weird if just having ever been prescribed THC was worse for you than literally carrying a pill bottle full of meth in your bag.
    - filoleg 5y ago
      >you can bring pretty much any prescribed drug in its labelled dispensed container — even the Desoxyn! — with you over the border into the US. >So it'd be weird if THC was an exception to that As others in the thread have already mentioned, Desoxyn is schedule 2, while Cannabis is federally schedule 1 (with lower schedule number being more restricted). So no, THC isn't an exception, it is a part of the same rule system. The one in which schedule 2 drugs have more legal privileges than schedule 1 drugs.
      - inter_netuser 5y ago
        the active ingredient of desoxyn, methamphetamine is schedule 1. Plenty of substances are dual scheduled, desoxyn is just most prominent example.
        josephcsible 5y ago
        This doesn't appear to be true: https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/orangebook/c_cs_alpha.pdf https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/orangebook/c_cs... Are you sure you're not getting it mixed up with MDMA or something?
        filoleg 5y ago
        This is where you are wrong, methamphetamine is schedule 2 in the US[0][1]. 0. https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs5/5049/5049p.pdf https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs5/5049/5049p.pdf 1. https://www.goodrx.com/methamphetamine/what-is https://www.goodrx.com/methamphetamine/what-is
- taurath 5y ago
  Last I checked both meth and heroin were schedule II - which sort of has always been one of the craziest things about US drug policy. It’s almost entirely a political control thing
  - inter_netuser 5y ago
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    - josephcsible 5y ago
      As I pointed out in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28466243 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28466243, this doesn't appear to be true.
- deleted 5y ago
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- nradov 5y ago
  That's not correct under current federal law. Doctors can't write prescriptions for Schedule I drugs. They can only legally be used with special permission for research. https://www.dea.gov/drug-information/drug-scheduling https://www.dea.gov/drug-information/drug-scheduling (I don't agree with this, just explaining the law.)
  - derefr 5y ago
    Alright, so does that mean that if you’re a foreign citizen; and while you’re in the US, you volunteer to be a test subject for a pharmacological research program; and they give you a Schedule I drug as part of that research; then you can be deported for taking it?
    - nradov 5y ago
      No that wouldn't be grounds for a criminal conviction and thus wouldn't trigger deportation proceedings. Note that for clinical trials of controlled substances the researchers generally directly administer the drug in a secure facility. So legally the test subjects are never technically in possession of a controlled substance.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  > Even Schedule I drugs are still legal to possess with a proper prescription from a doctor. There's prescription methamphetamine (Desoxyn), for example. No they're not. Desoxyn is only legal with a prescription because methamphetamine is a schedule II drug, not a schedule I drug.
  - kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
    Primarily so soldiers and pilots can take it.
    - DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
      Nah, they just take regular dextroampehetamine - methamphetamine is particularly neurotoxic. There probably is some shadowy special-forces division that gets the cool stuff but I gather that even amongst the USAF's endurance fighter squadrons you won't see much stimulant use: it's too much of a liability, and the services really don't want human-liabilities piloting hundred-million-dollar supersonic death-machines. Fun-fact: the Nazis used meth, then known as "Pervatin" - but then they also mixed it with cocaine and oxycodone and called it "D-IX" - sounds like quite the party: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-IX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-IX
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anigbrowl 5y ago
Nobody is forgetting it; they think it's stupid and wrong.