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>Amazon is the good guy This is exactly what Amazon wants you to think. That's why they're calling it "OpenSearch" and not "AmazonSearch".

truetraveller 5y ago
And it's exactly correct. Amazon got burnt by Elastic. Doesn't matter if it's $100 billion company. And mind you, Elastic is no tiny startup. It has 2000+ employees.
jusonchan81 5y ago
It’s one of those things. Until Amazon does this to you, you will love that company no matter how many people they will screw over. Mind you this company basically is a monopoly in multiple domains. I’m afraid of the world where we align with the villain on something only because it’s convenient for us.
- Sebb767 5y ago
  Not everything Amazon does is evil. And not everything Elastic did is good. I highly doubt a lot of people in this thread would sign off that Amazon generally is a good company; it's just that in this case, they're on the right side, in part just because Elastic made it easy to be.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  > I’m afraid of the world where we align with the villain on something only because it’s convenient for us. We're not. We're aligning with them because they happened to do something legitimately good. Being a villain doesn't mean that literally everything you do is bad.
  - jusonchan81 5y ago
    I’m curious though, did Elastic’s license change impact you in anyway? Were you planning on offering Elasticsearch as a managed cloud offering? What exactly is the legitimate good Amazon did here?
    - theamk 5y ago
      We wanted to have multiple service providers for Elastic. So if one company goes bad or raises prices (be it Elastic or Amazon or something else) we can move to a different one.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      No, it doesn't directly impact me, since I'm not planning on offering Elasticsearch as a managed cloud offering. But just because something doesn't benefit me personally doesn't mean that I shouldn't consider it a good thing. For example, I'm not a child and don't have cancer, but I'd still consider it a legitimate good thing if someone donated money to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
    - solarkraft 5y ago
      > Were you planning on offering Elasticsearch as a managed cloud offering? What can make me certain I won’t ever need it? Ecosystems without monopolies tend to be more robust.
    - thrixton 5y ago
      I for one was. We have a platform whereby we need to expose logs and metrics to our clients, elastic/open search is a great option for this, unfortunately, being a non-opensource SaaS, elastic's license precludes it. Different discussion as to whether we should pay elastic as we can't afford to, currently.
unityByFreedom 5y ago
They're literally keeping the source open. Call Amazon out for other stuff, not this. Enough with this good vs. evil attitude. People and companies are more complex than that and have varied interests. They do not fall neatly into one camp or the other.
- deeblering4 5y ago
  I’m not so sure, they are also continuing to build a walled garden elk hosting alternative and already invested a lot of development into open distro for elasticsearch. People often run this software on their compute, so obviously eliminating proprietary license complications makes that an easier option for their customers to deploy, and redirects some of that licensing money into the customer’s aws spend. Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy there is a FOSS fork, but at the same time it feels like Amazon again has eaten another company’s lunch while feigning innocence.
  - unityByFreedom 5y ago
    You are not so sure that the world is not black and white? I assure you it's in color. Perhaps we do live in The Giver and only a few people realize this after all.
    - deeblering4 5y ago
      I agree, it's in color. In this case green.
      - unityByFreedom 5y ago
        That's just as myopic. We all do many things daily with no expectation of monetary reward.
        deeblering4 5y ago
        This was never about what we all do. The topic was Amazon OpenSearch. If you are arguing that Amazon has no expectation of monetary reward, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you!

truetraveller 5y ago

And it's exactly correct. Amazon got burnt by Elastic. Doesn't matter if it's $100 billion company. And mind you, Elastic is no tiny startup. It has 2000+ employees.

jusonchan81 5y ago

It’s one of those things. Until Amazon does this to you, you will love that company no matter how many people they will screw over. Mind you this company basically is a monopoly in multiple domains. I’m afraid of the world where we align with the villain on something only because it’s convenient for us.

Sebb767 5y ago
Not everything Amazon does is evil. And not everything Elastic did is good. I highly doubt a lot of people in this thread would sign off that Amazon generally is a good company; it's just that in this case, they're on the right side, in part just because Elastic made it easy to be.
josephcsible 5y ago
> I’m afraid of the world where we align with the villain on something only because it’s convenient for us. We're not. We're aligning with them because they happened to do something legitimately good. Being a villain doesn't mean that literally everything you do is bad.
- jusonchan81 5y ago
  I’m curious though, did Elastic’s license change impact you in anyway? Were you planning on offering Elasticsearch as a managed cloud offering? What exactly is the legitimate good Amazon did here?
  - theamk 5y ago
    We wanted to have multiple service providers for Elastic. So if one company goes bad or raises prices (be it Elastic or Amazon or something else) we can move to a different one.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    No, it doesn't directly impact me, since I'm not planning on offering Elasticsearch as a managed cloud offering. But just because something doesn't benefit me personally doesn't mean that I shouldn't consider it a good thing. For example, I'm not a child and don't have cancer, but I'd still consider it a legitimate good thing if someone donated money to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
  - solarkraft 5y ago
    > Were you planning on offering Elasticsearch as a managed cloud offering? What can make me certain I won’t ever need it? Ecosystems without monopolies tend to be more robust.
  - thrixton 5y ago
    I for one was. We have a platform whereby we need to expose logs and metrics to our clients, elastic/open search is a great option for this, unfortunately, being a non-opensource SaaS, elastic's license precludes it. Different discussion as to whether we should pay elastic as we can't afford to, currently.

unityByFreedom 5y ago

They're literally keeping the source open. Call Amazon out for other stuff, not this. Enough with this good vs. evil attitude. People and companies are more complex than that and have varied interests. They do not fall neatly into one camp or the other.

deeblering4 5y ago
I’m not so sure, they are also continuing to build a walled garden elk hosting alternative and already invested a lot of development into open distro for elasticsearch. People often run this software on their compute, so obviously eliminating proprietary license complications makes that an easier option for their customers to deploy, and redirects some of that licensing money into the customer’s aws spend. Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy there is a FOSS fork, but at the same time it feels like Amazon again has eaten another company’s lunch while feigning innocence.
- unityByFreedom 5y ago
  You are not so sure that the world is not black and white? I assure you it's in color. Perhaps we do live in The Giver and only a few people realize this after all.
  - deeblering4 5y ago
    I agree, it's in color. In this case green.
    - unityByFreedom 5y ago
      That's just as myopic. We all do many things daily with no expectation of monetary reward.
      - deeblering4 5y ago
        This was never about what we all do. The topic was Amazon OpenSearch. If you are arguing that Amazon has no expectation of monetary reward, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you!