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The article indicates this was a 4 year legal battle and the last ruling in the 2019 Supreme Court was similar. It has nothing at all to do with Coronavirus. B

The article indicates this was a 4 year legal battle and the last ruling in the 2019 Supreme Court was similar. It has nothing at all to do with Coronavirus. BTW “Australia” is not in lockdown. Some states of Australia are.

__john 5y ago
I wonder if they're using the current crisis to push through an agenda? I couldn't find any information on which Australian states are in lock down but I'd bet the Northern Territory isn't one of them. Relatively few people live there. Do you see where this is going?
- javagram 5y ago
  > I wonder if they're using the current crisis to push through an agenda? Seems like baseless speculation. > I couldn't find any information on which Australian states are in lock down Wikipedia or google news have the answers you’re looking for. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=COVID-19_pandemic_in_Australia&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#State_and_territory_articles https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=COVID-19_pandemic...
- nyolfen 5y ago
  i suspect diversion from the humiliatingly bungled vaccination procurement effort plays into the calculus, shifting anger towards something nominally defensible instead of protracted incompetence
  - grecy 5y ago
    I recently flew to Australia, and from experience I can tell you virtually nobody knows about these laws being changes. The one discussed here, the new "hacking" powers given to the government, the money being paid to Murdoch by FB and Google. The very vast majority of Aussies have no clue about any of it, and the media is keeping silent.
    - SturgeonsLaw 5y ago
      Yes, this is the key point that people are missing when they wonder why there isn't an uproar. Most Aussies don't have a clue what the government is really up to. The media here is complicit and extremely consolidated - essentially all commercial media companies are sympathetic towards a single (conservative) party, Murdoch's media is openly partisan and has a dominant market share, the public broadcaster has been gutted and the board stacked with LNP stooges. The end result is all media narratives in lock-step pushing a pro-LNP message. The media boardrooms are a popular revolving door for politicians to get the post-politics payday, and the media has been known to give politicians favourable treatment when they want legislation in their interests to be passed. [0] The whole time, the media is telling the public not to worry, everything is ok - unless a Labor government is in power, in which case the messaging is that the sky is falling, tax and debt is skyrocketing, and they want to steal pensioner's benefits. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/business/dealbook/australia-news-media-law.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/business/dealbook/austral...
- prawn 5y ago
  The federal government is screwing many things up, but I don't get the impression they're pushing through an agenda that takes advantage of COVID. They've been taking advantage of every other opportunity already. Northern Territory has recently had minor lockdowns. There is not much of a current lockdown in WA, SA, NT or Tasmania. Probably a limited one in Queensland if at all.
- paranoidrobot 5y ago
  > I did find this map from 5 August, 5th August 2020. This is from last year.
- sellyme 5y ago
  As others have pointed out, that map is from last year, and additionally only one of the six states there were in lockdown at that time (Victoria). Right now only two states are in lockdown (NSW and Victoria), with Queensland being the only other state with active locally-acquired cases.
- gregoryl 5y ago
  Do you see where this is going? If you want to make a point, make it explicitly. This isn't useful.
6nf 5y ago
Most of the population is in lockdown
- grecy 5y ago
  Regional Victoria lockdown ends tonight at midnight, so then it will be the state of NSW and Melbourne in lockdown, which is about 16 million people out of the 25 million in the country. 65% of the population in lockdown.
  - gelatocar 5y ago
    Closer to 50%, not quite sure where you got 65% from. (8.17 + 5.08) / 25.69 = 51.58% it is still a lot of people, but it would be good if you could try and be accurate with this stuff. There's been a lot of incorrect stuff being said about Australian lockdowns on HN lately.
    - mewse 5y ago
      16 million / 25 million is 64%. > not quite sure where you got 65% from I'm not the original poster, but I mean, it's kind of obvious that it came from dividing literally the only two other numbers present in the comment you're replying to. If the issue is that you disagree with those population numbers, then maybe say that explicitly and point to where you're getting your numbers from so that the point of contention can be identified instead of everyone just yelling that their unsourced numbers are better than the other person's unsourced numbers?
      - gelatocar 5y ago
        I didn't really think it was necessary to provide a source as it is literally as simple as googling "nsw population", "melbourne population", and "australia population". The results of those are a little out of date but still in the ballpark of 50%. If you are after official numbers then the ABS is the place to go: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/latest-release https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national...

__john 5y ago

I wonder if they're using the current crisis to push through an agenda? I couldn't find any information on which Australian states are in lock down but I'd bet the Northern Territory isn't one of them. Relatively few people live there. Do you see where this is going?

javagram 5y ago
> I wonder if they're using the current crisis to push through an agenda? Seems like baseless speculation. > I couldn't find any information on which Australian states are in lock down Wikipedia or google news have the answers you’re looking for. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=COVID-19_pandemic_in_Australia&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#State_and_territory_articles https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=COVID-19_pandemic...
nyolfen 5y ago
i suspect diversion from the humiliatingly bungled vaccination procurement effort plays into the calculus, shifting anger towards something nominally defensible instead of protracted incompetence
- grecy 5y ago
  I recently flew to Australia, and from experience I can tell you virtually nobody knows about these laws being changes. The one discussed here, the new "hacking" powers given to the government, the money being paid to Murdoch by FB and Google. The very vast majority of Aussies have no clue about any of it, and the media is keeping silent.
  - SturgeonsLaw 5y ago
    Yes, this is the key point that people are missing when they wonder why there isn't an uproar. Most Aussies don't have a clue what the government is really up to. The media here is complicit and extremely consolidated - essentially all commercial media companies are sympathetic towards a single (conservative) party, Murdoch's media is openly partisan and has a dominant market share, the public broadcaster has been gutted and the board stacked with LNP stooges. The end result is all media narratives in lock-step pushing a pro-LNP message. The media boardrooms are a popular revolving door for politicians to get the post-politics payday, and the media has been known to give politicians favourable treatment when they want legislation in their interests to be passed. [0] The whole time, the media is telling the public not to worry, everything is ok - unless a Labor government is in power, in which case the messaging is that the sky is falling, tax and debt is skyrocketing, and they want to steal pensioner's benefits. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/business/dealbook/australia-news-media-law.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/business/dealbook/austral...
prawn 5y ago
The federal government is screwing many things up, but I don't get the impression they're pushing through an agenda that takes advantage of COVID. They've been taking advantage of every other opportunity already. Northern Territory has recently had minor lockdowns. There is not much of a current lockdown in WA, SA, NT or Tasmania. Probably a limited one in Queensland if at all.
paranoidrobot 5y ago
> I did find this map from 5 August, 5th August 2020. This is from last year.
sellyme 5y ago
As others have pointed out, that map is from last year, and additionally only one of the six states there were in lockdown at that time (Victoria). Right now only two states are in lockdown (NSW and Victoria), with Queensland being the only other state with active locally-acquired cases.
gregoryl 5y ago
Do you see where this is going? If you want to make a point, make it explicitly. This isn't useful.

6nf 5y ago

Most of the population is in lockdown

grecy 5y ago
Regional Victoria lockdown ends tonight at midnight, so then it will be the state of NSW and Melbourne in lockdown, which is about 16 million people out of the 25 million in the country. 65% of the population in lockdown.
- gelatocar 5y ago
  Closer to 50%, not quite sure where you got 65% from. (8.17 + 5.08) / 25.69 = 51.58% it is still a lot of people, but it would be good if you could try and be accurate with this stuff. There's been a lot of incorrect stuff being said about Australian lockdowns on HN lately.
  - mewse 5y ago
    16 million / 25 million is 64%. > not quite sure where you got 65% from I'm not the original poster, but I mean, it's kind of obvious that it came from dividing literally the only two other numbers present in the comment you're replying to. If the issue is that you disagree with those population numbers, then maybe say that explicitly and point to where you're getting your numbers from so that the point of contention can be identified instead of everyone just yelling that their unsourced numbers are better than the other person's unsourced numbers?
    - gelatocar 5y ago
      I didn't really think it was necessary to provide a source as it is literally as simple as googling "nsw population", "melbourne population", and "australia population". The results of those are a little out of date but still in the ballpark of 50%. If you are after official numbers then the ABS is the place to go: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/latest-release https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national...