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> we've left discussion of the law and what the police "can do" and entered a discussion about what to do about the problem of overtly criminal police I genuin
by delecti 5y ago
> we've left discussion of the law and what the police "can do" and entered a discussion about what to do about the problem of overtly criminal police
I genuinely think this point has long since come and gone. Most encounters with police are going to end fine, but there's basically no recourse in the majority of cases where they don't.
- tptacek 5y agoI'm not saying that's not true, I'm just saying it's a totally different conversation. In the world you say we're in, it doesn't matter what LAPD's policies are. The police will just ignore them and do whatever they want.
- joe_the_user 5y agoYou're making a much too extreme dichotomy. The situation is that American police are generally there to enforce the law, generally follow policy but, depending on area, are infested with a minority of types who use or threaten violence whenever it makes their job easier or simply serves their ego. And these forces also tend to have a much larger group who won't say anything about the overt criminals - out of conformity, alienation from civilians or because the intimidation factor is convenient to them. This situation, that is effectively well publicized at this point, fundamentally changes the way police and civilians relation because it goes a lot of police actions a threatening quality and so, as I said earlier, it's hard to have question appear "optional" to the average person stopped by the police.
- banannaise 5y agoThat world is, broadly speaking, the world we currently live in. Changing that is a long-term effort that starts with reducing their stated powers.