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Nissan beat Tesla by years with the first mass market EV with the Leaf. In some ways the 2022 Leaf is still a much better value than the Tesla model 3 if you do
by api 5y ago
Nissan beat Tesla by years with the first mass market EV with the Leaf. In some ways the 2022 Leaf is still a much better value than the Tesla model 3 if you don't need frequent fast charging. The price is a lot lower and the reliability and build quality are excellent.
The Leaf can fast charge and this is now included in all models, but it can only suck down 50KW vs Tesla now being able to draw 100+KW. It also uses ChaDEMO which is a fading standard, though still very common where I live. Apparently there are some converters in the works to let the Leaf charge off CCS and perhaps even the Tesla network in the future, but they'll probably cost hundreds of dollars since apparently a DC fast charge mega-dongle is not trivial.
In other news: there is now a market for dongles for cars. I have seen the future and it has a dongle.
- cartoonworld 5y agoI think people don't really like plug-ins unless its Tesla and has a fast charge. That is all I can think of. Tesla ride quality is also pretty good if everything is going right, can't comment on a bolt or leaf.
- api 5y agoDepends on your driving habits. If you are a heavy driver or a frequent road tripper I'd recommend getting a Tesla or at least a car with faster charging than the Leaf.
- oblio 5y agoIn Europe they've standardized the chargers.
- outworlder 5y agoInterestingly, at work we have some DC charging stations. The "Tesla" stations are actually a ChaDEMO Chargepoint station coupled to a Tesla "dongle". So the dongle not only exists, but seems to be very feasible. It just needs to work in the other direction. Newer Nissans are supposed to use the CCS standard (if Nissan gets its crap together and actually launches the Arya).
- rootusrootus 5y agoI agree. We have a Bolt, and until recently a Tesla. If I were buying again right now, I'd get a Bolt (if there wasn't a stop-sale, at least). When we got ours, the brand-new price was $24K. For 258 miles of range, and basic 50kW fast charging, that's a ridiculous deal. For a Model 3, I'd be into it damn near twice that.
- parserfly 5y agoI wonder how this all works out long term for Tesla. From a first principles standpoint, they don't really have much. The Nissan Leaf is a workhorse. But Tesla is killing it these days.