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Japanese govt pushed hydrogen as one "fuel" to rule them all, including household heating and cookin
by fnord77 5y ago
Japanese govt pushed hydrogen as one "fuel" to rule them all, including household heating and cookin
- reducesuffering 5y agoI believe this is it too. Honda also has the equivalent hydrogen powered car and lack of EV's. Occam's razor says they didn't both come to that unideal scenario by chance.
- varjag 5y agoHow did Nissan dodge it then?
- throwaway0a5e 5y agoNissan wasn't "winning" like Toyota was. While Toyota was raking in wheelbarrows of easy cash from moneyed buyers Nissan was selling Altimas for bottom dollar to people who were rolling in negative equity from a Dodge Journey. This is standard BigCo stuff. You get a lead and you lose that lead because you don't jump hard enough onto the next big thing because you don't want to divert resources over the thing you're currently winning with. IBM, Boeing, Ford, Microsoft, they've all been down this road. Nissan never had that lead so they had nothing to stop them from going into EVs deep enough to grab a good share of the market.
- varjag 5y agoYeah what I mean it's not the government to blame for Toyota ineptitude.
- numpad0 5y agoOr you could argue the government assigned Toyota for Plan A with Hydrogen/FCEV path and Nissan was assigned to the backup Nuclear/BEV route.
- varjag 5y agoHonestly, with Toyota clout the opposite could likely happen: it assigned the government of Japan to promote Hydrogen.
- numpad0 5y agoHm, possibly. Strongest Hydrogen push was like 15-20 years ago. Pivotal change to BEV right now is a trainwreck to current manager classes at the height of their career.
- fomine3 5y agoMitsubishi also invested to BEV by i-MiEV and PHEV by Outlander PHEV. Finally they acquired by Nissan.
- api 5y agoNissan beat Tesla by years with the first mass market EV with the Leaf. In some ways the 2022 Leaf is still a much better value than the Tesla model 3 if you don't need frequent fast charging. The price is a lot lower and the reliability and build quality are excellent. The Leaf can fast charge and this is now included in all models, but it can only suck down 50KW vs Tesla now being able to draw 100+KW. It also uses ChaDEMO which is a fading standard, though still very common where I live. Apparently there are some converters in the works to let the Leaf charge off CCS and perhaps even the Tesla network in the future, but they'll probably cost hundreds of dollars since apparently a DC fast charge mega-dongle is not trivial. In other news: there is now a market for dongles for cars. I have seen the future and it has a dongle.
- cartoonworld 5y agoI think people don't really like plug-ins unless its Tesla and has a fast charge. That is all I can think of. Tesla ride quality is also pretty good if everything is going right, can't comment on a bolt or leaf.
- api 5y agoDepends on your driving habits. If you are a heavy driver or a frequent road tripper I'd recommend getting a Tesla or at least a car with faster charging than the Leaf.
- oblio 5y agoIn Europe they've standardized the chargers.
- outworlder 5y agoInterestingly, at work we have some DC charging stations. The "Tesla" stations are actually a ChaDEMO Chargepoint station coupled to a Tesla "dongle". So the dongle not only exists, but seems to be very feasible. It just needs to work in the other direction. Newer Nissans are supposed to use the CCS standard (if Nissan gets its crap together and actually launches the Arya).
- rootusrootus 5y ago
- rad_gruchalski 5y agoMaybe the fact that Nissan is owned by Renault has something to do with it.