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Interesting. A lot of the "so successful" have a TON of help. At the home front things are covered - stay at home wife, cleaners etc. You come home, home cook

Interesting. A lot of the "so successful" have a TON of help. At the home front things are covered - stay at home wife, cleaners etc. You come home, home cooked meal, wife happy to hang out go on a walk do whatever, kids taken care of. You go to work, you have the parking spot, the assistant with a schedule. Strong managers. Again, these are the "so successful" folks. The 70 hours of work is mostly meetings, strategy, bouncing ideas off people you got to hire to work with. It's not terrible

conductr 5y ago
I don’t get burned out because I outsource it by burning my employees out. It works for every other billionaire. /s
- slownews45 5y ago
  The very successful folks working long hours do tend to have folks around them working long hours as well. Ie, Elon Musk is probably working long hours. If my goal was to NOT work long hours that would be a bad company to work for.
  - munk-a 5y ago
    I've worked extremely long hours and there's a very big difference to me between working on a saturday on green-field development where what you're doing takes time but isn't particularly full of surprises - and trying to grind out a hard to find bug instead of enjoying the outdoors. I don't hate hunting down bugs myself - but dealing with fatigue from overwork while trying to find a needle in a haystack is much different from being able to cruise through some reqs like a badass using half your brain. It's quite likely that the billionaires putting in long hours are doing so in tasks that are diverse and decisive enough to not be soul crushing - while outsourcing those soul crushing tasks to their subordinates... in fact if that isn't the case then they're executiving wrong. Finally, being a found who benefits directly from every penny your company earns differs significantly from working plebs that might just be randomly fired tomorrow and will never see any benefit from the company doing slightly better. The motivation is there for Musk in a way it isn't for those who surround him.
    - stainforth 5y ago
      Right. It's about the autonomy. I do see a categorical difference between being the guy that gets asked to do something vs the guy whose job is to do the asking. Where does the former turn to? One has flexibility, the other has no where to turn.
codingdave 5y ago
> You come home, home cooked meal, wife happy to hang out go on a walk do whatever That also feels outdated. I don't know many people who are happy to sit at home, prepare meals for their absent spouse, and then smile and be happy to do whatever that spouse wants to do when they get home. That feels like an image from the 50s, not 2021.
- goldenchrome 5y ago
  Yeah my wife hates that she doesn't get to experience endless office politics and instead has to spend her time with our wonderful children and make meals for her loving husband who makes money for her.
  - X6S1x6Okd1st 5y ago
    If y'all are both happy about it, great. That set up is less common in the younger generations, especially those who were children when divorce rates were dominating headlines. At least anecdotally most of the millennial couples with a traditional stay at home set up I know transitioned to that after their first kid without expecting to
    - goldenchrome 5y ago
      Yeah because post-modernism has lied to a whole generation about what gender equality is about. Women are told that focusing on their career is a moral good but most people’s careers only amount to being a capitalist cog. Plus, it turns out that raising children is absolutely fulfilling for many women. The reason your friends transition to a traditional dynamic once they have a kid is because they lived the lie as long as they could so they could fit in with modern societal norms, and then once they were faced with the reality of raising a child, they quickly realized the error of group think. The worst part is that people feel pressured to shift to a traditional dynamic quietly because there’s so much shame around the decision, as if deciding to devote yourself to your family is less noble than working for a soulless corporation.
      - 5y ago

conductr 5y ago

I don’t get burned out because I outsource it by burning my employees out. It works for every other billionaire. /s

slownews45 5y ago
The very successful folks working long hours do tend to have folks around them working long hours as well. Ie, Elon Musk is probably working long hours. If my goal was to NOT work long hours that would be a bad company to work for.
- munk-a 5y ago
  I've worked extremely long hours and there's a very big difference to me between working on a saturday on green-field development where what you're doing takes time but isn't particularly full of surprises - and trying to grind out a hard to find bug instead of enjoying the outdoors. I don't hate hunting down bugs myself - but dealing with fatigue from overwork while trying to find a needle in a haystack is much different from being able to cruise through some reqs like a badass using half your brain. It's quite likely that the billionaires putting in long hours are doing so in tasks that are diverse and decisive enough to not be soul crushing - while outsourcing those soul crushing tasks to their subordinates... in fact if that isn't the case then they're executiving wrong. Finally, being a found who benefits directly from every penny your company earns differs significantly from working plebs that might just be randomly fired tomorrow and will never see any benefit from the company doing slightly better. The motivation is there for Musk in a way it isn't for those who surround him.
  - stainforth 5y ago
    Right. It's about the autonomy. I do see a categorical difference between being the guy that gets asked to do something vs the guy whose job is to do the asking. Where does the former turn to? One has flexibility, the other has no where to turn.

codingdave 5y ago

> You come home, home cooked meal, wife happy to hang out go on a walk do whatever That also feels outdated. I don't know many people who are happy to sit at home, prepare meals for their absent spouse, and then smile and be happy to do whatever that spouse wants to do when they get home. That feels like an image from the 50s, not 2021.

goldenchrome 5y ago
Yeah my wife hates that she doesn't get to experience endless office politics and instead has to spend her time with our wonderful children and make meals for her loving husband who makes money for her.
- X6S1x6Okd1st 5y ago
  If y'all are both happy about it, great. That set up is less common in the younger generations, especially those who were children when divorce rates were dominating headlines. At least anecdotally most of the millennial couples with a traditional stay at home set up I know transitioned to that after their first kid without expecting to
  - goldenchrome 5y ago
    Yeah because post-modernism has lied to a whole generation about what gender equality is about. Women are told that focusing on their career is a moral good but most people’s careers only amount to being a capitalist cog. Plus, it turns out that raising children is absolutely fulfilling for many women. The reason your friends transition to a traditional dynamic once they have a kid is because they lived the lie as long as they could so they could fit in with modern societal norms, and then once they were faced with the reality of raising a child, they quickly realized the error of group think. The worst part is that people feel pressured to shift to a traditional dynamic quietly because there’s so much shame around the decision, as if deciding to devote yourself to your family is less noble than working for a soulless corporation.
    - 5y ago