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Do you have an example from this century?

bryanrasmussen 5y ago
well we're only twenty one years into this century - they did give you an example from within living memory. I'm pretty sure plenty other examples from the U.S can be picked up with much shorter distances than the one between now and McCarthy.
- true_religion 5y ago
  While it is living memory, it is about 60 years ago. Which is two whole generations. On the one hand, people are alive who suffered under McCarthyism. On the other hand, much of the population will react strongly at being judged for the sins of their grandparents.
  - krageon 5y ago
    > much of the population will react strongly at being judged for the sins of their grandparents. This happens today in every western country, there's nothing unusual about it.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  If you're so sure there are "plenty", would you care to offer one?
  - bryanrasmussen 5y ago
    it's difficult not to reply sarcastically to this but - how about the Move bombing - 1981. oh wait, that was local government. So how about the anti-war movement in the late 1960s, closer, but not much closer. Before I go further though I start to wonder about your requirements, I mean from where I'm sitting it is a 'commonly' understood thing that the anti-war movements in the U.S are often targeted for investigation and attack by government agents, but for every commonly understood thing there are people that do not agree for some reason that the thing that is the common understanding of the situation is correct. So - before continuing - what is your position on the Chicago 7 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Seven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Seven)? Was there a conspiracy by the American government there or not? If there was then I have given an example even though not so far after McCarthyism was done, but more importantly if we can agree that there was then it is pretty easy to keep coming with examples over the years. If your opinion was there was not - but McCarthyism I take it was a bad thing in your book - what aspects of McCarthyism is needed to make an example you would find acceptable but would leave the Chicago 7 out? on edit: of course my point with the Move bombing is that local government also counts in the U.S, although I suspect you would disagree otherwise there's lots of cops killing citizens and taking their property all over the country for you to choose from.
    - chitowneats 5y ago
      Isolated incidents of local police terrorism do not count. Didn't we already rule out the 1960's? That type of political violence really doesn't exist here anymore. Your perception of the country notwithstanding.
      - bryanrasmussen 5y ago
        ok but you didn't answer the question. Also, public forfeiture laws are not terrorism - they are policy.
      - bryanrasmussen 5y ago
        Ok. Let's try another one to get a position on, if we say the 60s are off limits and you're not answering questions there. What is your position on Aaron Schwartz then?
  - shapefrog 5y ago
    A good chunk of the civil forfiture cases?

well we're only twenty one years into this century - they did give you an example from within living memory. I'm pretty sure plenty other examples from the U.S can be picked up with much shorter distances than the one between now and McCarthy.

true_religion 5y ago
While it is living memory, it is about 60 years ago. Which is two whole generations. On the one hand, people are alive who suffered under McCarthyism. On the other hand, much of the population will react strongly at being judged for the sins of their grandparents.
- krageon 5y ago
  > much of the population will react strongly at being judged for the sins of their grandparents. This happens today in every western country, there's nothing unusual about it.
chitowneats 5y ago
If you're so sure there are "plenty", would you care to offer one?
- bryanrasmussen 5y ago
  it's difficult not to reply sarcastically to this but - how about the Move bombing - 1981. oh wait, that was local government. So how about the anti-war movement in the late 1960s, closer, but not much closer. Before I go further though I start to wonder about your requirements, I mean from where I'm sitting it is a 'commonly' understood thing that the anti-war movements in the U.S are often targeted for investigation and attack by government agents, but for every commonly understood thing there are people that do not agree for some reason that the thing that is the common understanding of the situation is correct. So - before continuing - what is your position on the Chicago 7 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Seven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Seven)? Was there a conspiracy by the American government there or not? If there was then I have given an example even though not so far after McCarthyism was done, but more importantly if we can agree that there was then it is pretty easy to keep coming with examples over the years. If your opinion was there was not - but McCarthyism I take it was a bad thing in your book - what aspects of McCarthyism is needed to make an example you would find acceptable but would leave the Chicago 7 out? on edit: of course my point with the Move bombing is that local government also counts in the U.S, although I suspect you would disagree otherwise there's lots of cops killing citizens and taking their property all over the country for you to choose from.
  - chitowneats 5y ago
    Isolated incidents of local police terrorism do not count. Didn't we already rule out the 1960's? That type of political violence really doesn't exist here anymore. Your perception of the country notwithstanding.
    - bryanrasmussen 5y ago
      ok but you didn't answer the question. Also, public forfeiture laws are not terrorism - they are policy.
    - bryanrasmussen 5y ago
      Ok. Let's try another one to get a position on, if we say the 60s are off limits and you're not answering questions there. What is your position on Aaron Schwartz then?
- shapefrog 5y ago
  A good chunk of the civil forfiture cases?