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It appears to have been banned when the author offered an illegal sweepstakes. Contests and sweepstakes are carefully regulated in America, with slightly diffe

It appears to have been banned when the author offered an illegal sweepstakes. Contests and sweepstakes are carefully regulated in America, with slightly different regimes in all 50 states. You should not run one unless you have gotten legal help with it!

EastToWest 5y ago
Source? The creator's twitter doesn't mention that at all.
- dom111 5y ago
  It's implied here: https://twitter.com/thelinuxEXP/status/1435107199785832449 https://twitter.com/thelinuxEXP/status/1435107199785832449 but no more detail than that I can see...
- juniperplant 5y ago
  There was a giveaway of a Tuxedo laptop[1]. Whoever wanted to participate had to comment on the video announcing the giveaway, which apparently goes against YouTube's TOS (as far as I can tell comments count affects YouTube's algorithm). [1] https://odysee.com/@TheLinuxExperiment:e/win-the-tuxedo-aura-15!-linux-laptop:4 https://odysee.com/@TheLinuxExperiment:e/win-the-tuxedo-aura...
  - ganoushoreilly 5y ago
    If that's it, it's a ridiculous premise. I won some music equipment from Sweetwater by liking and commenting on a video (though not sure they would be able to verify the like). I expect things like this to continue to grow as we rely more and more on algorithms in all walks of life without thinking through true recourse options.
    - dangus 5y ago
      If true, the channel owner was trying to game the system to make their channel look like it was more popular than it really was. An analogy would be like a TV host telling the audience to watch the show on five televisions so that they would get a higher Nielsen ratings and then get more money from advertisers. No TV network or advertiser would be happy about that. In other words, if this is what was really happening, this channel was essentially trying to scam YouTube into thinking they were more popular than they really are for their own monetary gain. To me it seems like this channel deserved what they got, if the allegations are true. I even doubt that the channel was automatically removed by an algorithm. Maybe it was flagged by one for human review. Just because a company doesn’t contact you doesn’t mean a human wasn’t involved in your particular case. Furthermore, just because Sweetwater got away with it one time doesn’t mean it’s not against the TOS. I’m just speculating, and I don’t have skin in the game.
      - Spivak 5y ago
        I don't think you deserve the downvotes, this is click-fraud and I'm not at all surprised that it got axed. I'm sure it with enough media outrage and a private mea culpa from the creator it will be reinstated but on first blush I think this was the right call.
      - raydev 5y ago
        Sweetwater is not "getting away with it." They have verified legal clearance, and the owner of linux experience does not. Your concerns about "scamming" aren't relevant. Many of YouTube's most popular channels do this sort of contest, and there is no hard ban on this type of thing.
        xyzzy21 5y ago
        PROVE this! I'm calling 100% BS!
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mabbo 5y ago
Let's presume you're right and this is why the channel was legitimately deleted. Was there a warning? Was there some communication with the owner saying "Hey, what you're doing violates or Ts&Cs"? It seems like if there was, the owner would be tweeting that he disagrees with the deletion rather that completely not understanding why it happened. Putting more humans in the loop would be more expensive, but it would help end these puzzling situations where creators don't know why they've been told to stop creating.
- comeonseriously 5y ago
  Algorithms don't warn. Nor do they communicate. They just delete.
  - colordrops 5y ago
    Yes but the servers that software that use these algorithms are perfectly capable of including business logic for warning and communicating.
  - remram 5y ago
    Algorithms do whatever humans program them to do, which can be delete, warn, email, slack, or call phones.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > Algorithms do whatever humans program them to do, which can be delete, warn, email, slack, or call phones. I think it's worth noting that algorithms like these are deployed specifically to take employees out of the loop, and adding a communications step would almost certainly pull them back in.
      - Choco31415 5y ago
        However, there is still less manual work being down if videos are flagged via an algorithm versus checked one-by-one by a person. Though, results may vary.
rscoots 5y ago
That's still begs the question though, why not simply hide or abridge that video. Or add a disclaimer? How can deleting the entire channel without warning possibly be the ethical move here?
- spurgu 5y ago
  It's not. The consensus (here at least) seems quite clear.
  - rscoots 5y ago
    Well not clear enough I guess since my comment just got downvoted 4 times lol.
    - pbhjpbhj 5y ago
      Perhaps they're fallacy fans who dislike your use of 'begs the question' (an archaic term that does _not_ mean 'raises the question', which you mean here).
Teknoman117 5y ago
That doesn't make much sense though, given that many of the tech YouTubers (LinusTechTips, JayzTwoCents, to name a few) have done hardware giveaways fairly regularly. "We're giving away RTX 3080s and 3090s to verifiable gamers" is the recent trend. LTT is in Vancouver, but JayzTwoCents is in Southern California somewhere, and therefore, the United States.
- KeepFlying 5y ago
  Except those channels probably have the means to run it legally and with the right caveats, legalese, tax documentation, etc. Sweepstakes and giveaways aren't banned, they just have some overhead and legal requirements around them.
- wheybags 5y ago
  LTT weren't giving them away though. First come first served, and you only got the opportunity to buy them at MSRP, instead of scalper markups. They werent given away for free.
sschueller 5y ago
If this is true there are several very large youtubers that are running illegal sweepstakes. Jake and Logan Paul for example.
- raydev 5y ago
  How do you know those sweepstakes are illegal? Have you verified that the Paul brothers either have bad legal teams or no legal teams?
  - xyzzy21 5y ago
    How does an algorithm known TLE was illegal without holding a law degree and position on a state bar?? They don't and thus have no more legal authority to "know/id" illegality than they have to "know/id" legality.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  If you suspect this, report them to the FTC.
tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
The error message claims that an account has not existed or has been deleted long ago, not "you violated our ToS and are permabanned no appeals kthxbye". Assuming this recovery attempt was started within whatever Google considers that short time, it implies something else is happening. One possible guess would be the account getting hacked, somehow moved to a different address, then deleted. (I have no idea how primary e-mail addresses work for Google/Gmail accounts, except that what used to be a standalone YouTube account got merged into a Google account which once I created a gmail address for it suddenly had a different primary e-mail address, so there are ways for stuff like this to change and "brand accounts" complicate it further on YouTube).
- e40 5y ago
  This is what happened to Jim Browning (YT channel about scammers... very entertaining). He was tricked into it. https://youtu.be/YIWV5fSaUB8 https://youtu.be/YIWV5fSaUB8

EastToWest 5y ago

Source? The creator's twitter doesn't mention that at all.

dom111 5y ago
It's implied here: https://twitter.com/thelinuxEXP/status/1435107199785832449 https://twitter.com/thelinuxEXP/status/1435107199785832449 but no more detail than that I can see...
juniperplant 5y ago
There was a giveaway of a Tuxedo laptop[1]. Whoever wanted to participate had to comment on the video announcing the giveaway, which apparently goes against YouTube's TOS (as far as I can tell comments count affects YouTube's algorithm). [1] https://odysee.com/@TheLinuxExperiment:e/win-the-tuxedo-aura-15!-linux-laptop:4 https://odysee.com/@TheLinuxExperiment:e/win-the-tuxedo-aura...
- ganoushoreilly 5y ago
  If that's it, it's a ridiculous premise. I won some music equipment from Sweetwater by liking and commenting on a video (though not sure they would be able to verify the like). I expect things like this to continue to grow as we rely more and more on algorithms in all walks of life without thinking through true recourse options.
  - dangus 5y ago
    If true, the channel owner was trying to game the system to make their channel look like it was more popular than it really was. An analogy would be like a TV host telling the audience to watch the show on five televisions so that they would get a higher Nielsen ratings and then get more money from advertisers. No TV network or advertiser would be happy about that. In other words, if this is what was really happening, this channel was essentially trying to scam YouTube into thinking they were more popular than they really are for their own monetary gain. To me it seems like this channel deserved what they got, if the allegations are true. I even doubt that the channel was automatically removed by an algorithm. Maybe it was flagged by one for human review. Just because a company doesn’t contact you doesn’t mean a human wasn’t involved in your particular case. Furthermore, just because Sweetwater got away with it one time doesn’t mean it’s not against the TOS. I’m just speculating, and I don’t have skin in the game.
    - Spivak 5y ago
      I don't think you deserve the downvotes, this is click-fraud and I'm not at all surprised that it got axed. I'm sure it with enough media outrage and a private mea culpa from the creator it will be reinstated but on first blush I think this was the right call.
    - raydev 5y ago
      Sweetwater is not "getting away with it." They have verified legal clearance, and the owner of linux experience does not. Your concerns about "scamming" aren't relevant. Many of YouTube's most popular channels do this sort of contest, and there is no hard ban on this type of thing.
      - xyzzy21 5y ago
        PROVE this! I'm calling 100% BS!
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mabbo 5y ago

Let's presume you're right and this is why the channel was legitimately deleted. Was there a warning? Was there some communication with the owner saying "Hey, what you're doing violates or Ts&Cs"? It seems like if there was, the owner would be tweeting that he disagrees with the deletion rather that completely not understanding why it happened. Putting more humans in the loop would be more expensive, but it would help end these puzzling situations where creators don't know why they've been told to stop creating.

comeonseriously 5y ago
Algorithms don't warn. Nor do they communicate. They just delete.
- colordrops 5y ago
  Yes but the servers that software that use these algorithms are perfectly capable of including business logic for warning and communicating.
- remram 5y ago
  Algorithms do whatever humans program them to do, which can be delete, warn, email, slack, or call phones.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > Algorithms do whatever humans program them to do, which can be delete, warn, email, slack, or call phones. I think it's worth noting that algorithms like these are deployed specifically to take employees out of the loop, and adding a communications step would almost certainly pull them back in.
    - Choco31415 5y ago
      However, there is still less manual work being down if videos are flagged via an algorithm versus checked one-by-one by a person. Though, results may vary.

rscoots 5y ago

That's still begs the question though, why not simply hide or abridge that video. Or add a disclaimer? How can deleting the entire channel without warning possibly be the ethical move here?

spurgu 5y ago
It's not. The consensus (here at least) seems quite clear.
- rscoots 5y ago
  Well not clear enough I guess since my comment just got downvoted 4 times lol.
  - pbhjpbhj 5y ago
    Perhaps they're fallacy fans who dislike your use of 'begs the question' (an archaic term that does _not_ mean 'raises the question', which you mean here).

Teknoman117 5y ago

That doesn't make much sense though, given that many of the tech YouTubers (LinusTechTips, JayzTwoCents, to name a few) have done hardware giveaways fairly regularly. "We're giving away RTX 3080s and 3090s to verifiable gamers" is the recent trend. LTT is in Vancouver, but JayzTwoCents is in Southern California somewhere, and therefore, the United States.

KeepFlying 5y ago
Except those channels probably have the means to run it legally and with the right caveats, legalese, tax documentation, etc. Sweepstakes and giveaways aren't banned, they just have some overhead and legal requirements around them.
wheybags 5y ago
LTT weren't giving them away though. First come first served, and you only got the opportunity to buy them at MSRP, instead of scalper markups. They werent given away for free.

sschueller 5y ago

If this is true there are several very large youtubers that are running illegal sweepstakes. Jake and Logan Paul for example.

raydev 5y ago
How do you know those sweepstakes are illegal? Have you verified that the Paul brothers either have bad legal teams or no legal teams?
- xyzzy21 5y ago
  How does an algorithm known TLE was illegal without holding a law degree and position on a state bar?? They don't and thus have no more legal authority to "know/id" illegality than they have to "know/id" legality.
heavyset_go 5y ago
If you suspect this, report them to the FTC.

tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago

The error message claims that an account has not existed or has been deleted long ago, not "you violated our ToS and are permabanned no appeals kthxbye". Assuming this recovery attempt was started within whatever Google considers that short time, it implies something else is happening. One possible guess would be the account getting hacked, somehow moved to a different address, then deleted. (I have no idea how primary e-mail addresses work for Google/Gmail accounts, except that what used to be a standalone YouTube account got merged into a Google account which once I created a gmail address for it suddenly had a different primary e-mail address, so there are ways for stuff like this to change and "brand accounts" complicate it further on YouTube).

e40 5y ago
This is what happened to Jim Browning (YT channel about scammers... very entertaining). He was tricked into it. https://youtu.be/YIWV5fSaUB8 https://youtu.be/YIWV5fSaUB8