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Bad for us as a society how?

by rgrieselhuber 5y ago

racl101 5y ago
I imagine their point is people forgoing a post secondary education.
- rgrieselhuber 5y ago
  The conflation of college with education was natural and understandable until the last 10-15 years, but that appears to be changing.
  - Grakel 5y ago
    Well said. Today it's a dating camp that you attend after high school before you settle into the debt economy.
  - racl101 5y ago
    I agree as well. I'm just speculating about OP's point. Now you can get a pretty decent education from watching lots of videos and an education that commensurate with one that you'd plunk down thousands of dollars for at a university or college. Especially in the era of COVID where they would have you watch videos anyways during a period of lockdown. So glad I'm not a student right now. I'd feel so ripped off.
JackFr 5y ago
Well, two ways. First, broadly speaking across the economy, a college graduate 2000 hours a year typically produces more GDP$ to the real economy than a non-college graduate. There are a lot of caveats to that statement, but broadly it's true and that's why people will refer to education as human capital. Second (and I believe this is the more controversial claim), as a society we really do benefit from intellectuals expert in history, literature and other liberal arts and from basic research, by which I mean scientific research which has no immediately forseeable practicable application.
jimbokun 5y ago
Personally, I don't know. But I find it interesting that the only politically permissible way to even discuss it is by looking at how it could hurt women: > Yet the stakes are too high to ignore, she said. “If you care about our society, one, and, two, if you care about women, you have to care about the boys, too. If you have equally educated numbers of men and women that just makes a better society, and it makes it better for women.” The possibility that it could be bad for men I guess is not a relevant consideration when evaluating the impact on society.

Bad for us as a society how?

racl101 5y ago

I imagine their point is people forgoing a post secondary education.

rgrieselhuber 5y ago
The conflation of college with education was natural and understandable until the last 10-15 years, but that appears to be changing.
- Grakel 5y ago
  Well said. Today it's a dating camp that you attend after high school before you settle into the debt economy.
- racl101 5y ago
  I agree as well. I'm just speculating about OP's point. Now you can get a pretty decent education from watching lots of videos and an education that commensurate with one that you'd plunk down thousands of dollars for at a university or college. Especially in the era of COVID where they would have you watch videos anyways during a period of lockdown. So glad I'm not a student right now. I'd feel so ripped off.

JackFr 5y ago

Well, two ways. First, broadly speaking across the economy, a college graduate 2000 hours a year typically produces more GDP$ to the real economy than a non-college graduate. There are a lot of caveats to that statement, but broadly it's true and that's why people will refer to education as human capital. Second (and I believe this is the more controversial claim), as a society we really do benefit from intellectuals expert in history, literature and other liberal arts and from basic research, by which I mean scientific research which has no immediately forseeable practicable application.

jimbokun 5y ago

Personally, I don't know. But I find it interesting that the only politically permissible way to even discuss it is by looking at how it could hurt women: > Yet the stakes are too high to ignore, she said. “If you care about our society, one, and, two, if you care about women, you have to care about the boys, too. If you have equally educated numbers of men and women that just makes a better society, and it makes it better for women.” The possibility that it could be bad for men I guess is not a relevant consideration when evaluating the impact on society.