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I also am concerned that the principle of CEOs not speaking out on issues is not being applied consistently. CEOs are allowed to publicly state their opinion i

I also am concerned that the principle of CEOs not speaking out on issues is not being applied consistently. CEOs are allowed to publicly state their opinion if it is in favor of left leaning positions but not conservative leaning positions. See also the book Woke Inc.

marcinzm 5y ago
They're allowed to state their opinion if it does not negatively impact the finances of the company. That is the life of a CEO. You get the big money and you get the responsibility of being in charge.
- quotemstr 5y ago
  > They're allowed to state their opinion if it does not negatively impact the finances of the company This is not a principle that the people who got this CEO actually live by or genuinely believe in. It's a post-hoc excuse for collecting a scalp from the other side. Let's speak plainly about what's really going on here.
  - marcinzm 5y ago
    Corporate board aren't some bastion of liberalism, they're generally older white man with money. Conservative much more often than not as that demographic tends to be. They didn't have some sort of magical change of heart in the last 10 years but simply do what is needed to make money.
- kangnkodos 5y ago
  If instead, he had negatively imapacted the finances of the company by alienating the right, he would still have a job. It's only CEOs who go against the left who actually get fired.
midev 5y ago
> CEOs are allowed to publicly state their opinion if it is in favor of left leaning positions certifications but not conservative leaning positions. The left is the dominate culture in the United States. Places of education and culture are all blue. The right has only won the popular vote once since 1988. Mainstream culture has had it with conservative nonsense. We're tired of trying to drag the bible belt out of the 1950s. If you express conservative viewpoints, the people with all the buying power are not going to tolerate it. I love it. It's the capitalism that conservatives always wanted.
moistly 5y ago
LOL, wut? Every person in the USA has the same right to post their opinion. What would you like—for everyone to be forced into buying his company’s products/services? Cancel the right to (not) associate? Cancel free speech, so no one can spread news about his opinion? Foolish. Everything worked exactly as it is meant to work: freedom of speech and freedom of association, hand in hand.
void_mint 5y ago
> CEOs are allowed to publicly state their opinion if it is in favor of left leaning positions certifications but not conservative leaning positions. No. CEOs of companies that sell to left-leaning consumers can make left-leaning posts. The same goes for the right. This has always been true.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  When was the last time that a CEO got canceled by right-leaning consumers for making a left-leaning post? Most companies sell to both left-leaning and right-leaning consumers, but people only seem to get canceled over right-leaning posts.
  - b0sk 5y ago
    Donald Trump tried to cancel NFL because of black athletes kneeling for social justice and a significant percentage followed through.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      Last time I checked, the NFL still exists and kneeling for social justice still happens.
      - nradov 5y ago
        NFL revenue dropped by a quarter in 2020, however that seems to have been mostly due to the pandemic rather than politics. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/11/nfl-revenue-drops-from-16-billion-to-12-billion-in-2020/ https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/11/nfl-revenue...
      - only_as_i_fall 5y ago
        Right, but then the argument isn't that people only get canceled for conservative opinions, it's just that the left is better at it.
mindslight 5y ago
Supporting SB8 is not a conservative position, but rather a regressive one. Being truly conservative means supporting the precedent that was decided nearly 50 years ago, and has served us thus far. We need to stop letting this radical religious agenda be whitewashed as conservatism. It's born out of frustration with conservatism, but it is anything but conservative.
- readflaggedcomm 5y ago
  Dead black babies isn't a conservative position.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Being truly conservative means supporting the precedent that was decided nearly 50 years ago, and has served us thus far. That's a specious argument, since at its core you're just picking an arbitrary reference point that gets you the result you want. Also I don't think that "conservatism," properly understood, is about arbitrarily "conserving" everything.
  - mindslight 5y ago
    I wasn't picking a point in time, rather pointing out that 50 years is a pretty long time - nearly two generations of people. Someone who was 15 years old for Roe v Wade would be 63 years old today. We feel sorry for the twenty-somethings of Afghanistan, who only ever knew freedom, seeing the Taliban take over their country. This is over twice as long. To me, the core of conservatism involves respecting existing institutions and customs, and wanting change to happen slowly. This has direct bearing on the topic, because it's incorrect to say this CEO had to step down due to having a "conservative" opinion. Rather, business is intrinsically conservative. It's just that our societal values in 2021 involve things that religious fundamentalists do not like, such as women's healthcare and rainbow flags. Big business isn't embracing these symbols so they can be activists pushing change, but rather to ingratiate their businesses with consumers by embracing change that has already happened. This CEO didn't have to step down because they were against some change or wanted to slow it down, but rather because they were advocating for a change that most people find repulsive. There would be similar pushback for any political opinion that was equally unpopular.
igetspam 5y ago
Perhaps CEOs should be smart enough to not make their ethics public on divisive issues where they find themselves in the minority. Seems like bad business.
- epicureanideal 5y ago
  Well, my point is that they do still make their ethics public on divisive issues where they find themselves in the minority... if those positions are typically held by the left.

marcinzm 5y ago

They're allowed to state their opinion if it does not negatively impact the finances of the company. That is the life of a CEO. You get the big money and you get the responsibility of being in charge.

quotemstr 5y ago
> They're allowed to state their opinion if it does not negatively impact the finances of the company This is not a principle that the people who got this CEO actually live by or genuinely believe in. It's a post-hoc excuse for collecting a scalp from the other side. Let's speak plainly about what's really going on here.
- marcinzm 5y ago
  Corporate board aren't some bastion of liberalism, they're generally older white man with money. Conservative much more often than not as that demographic tends to be. They didn't have some sort of magical change of heart in the last 10 years but simply do what is needed to make money.
kangnkodos 5y ago
If instead, he had negatively imapacted the finances of the company by alienating the right, he would still have a job. It's only CEOs who go against the left who actually get fired.

midev 5y ago

> CEOs are allowed to publicly state their opinion if it is in favor of left leaning positions certifications but not conservative leaning positions. The left is the dominate culture in the United States. Places of education and culture are all blue. The right has only won the popular vote once since 1988. Mainstream culture has had it with conservative nonsense. We're tired of trying to drag the bible belt out of the 1950s. If you express conservative viewpoints, the people with all the buying power are not going to tolerate it. I love it. It's the capitalism that conservatives always wanted.

moistly 5y ago

LOL, wut? Every person in the USA has the same right to post their opinion. What would you like—for everyone to be forced into buying his company’s products/services? Cancel the right to (not) associate? Cancel free speech, so no one can spread news about his opinion? Foolish. Everything worked exactly as it is meant to work: freedom of speech and freedom of association, hand in hand.

void_mint 5y ago

> CEOs are allowed to publicly state their opinion if it is in favor of left leaning positions certifications but not conservative leaning positions. No. CEOs of companies that sell to left-leaning consumers can make left-leaning posts. The same goes for the right. This has always been true.

josephcsible 5y ago
When was the last time that a CEO got canceled by right-leaning consumers for making a left-leaning post? Most companies sell to both left-leaning and right-leaning consumers, but people only seem to get canceled over right-leaning posts.
- b0sk 5y ago
  Donald Trump tried to cancel NFL because of black athletes kneeling for social justice and a significant percentage followed through.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    Last time I checked, the NFL still exists and kneeling for social justice still happens.
    - nradov 5y ago
      NFL revenue dropped by a quarter in 2020, however that seems to have been mostly due to the pandemic rather than politics. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/11/nfl-revenue-drops-from-16-billion-to-12-billion-in-2020/ https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/11/nfl-revenue...
    - only_as_i_fall 5y ago
      Right, but then the argument isn't that people only get canceled for conservative opinions, it's just that the left is better at it.

mindslight 5y ago

Supporting SB8 is not a conservative position, but rather a regressive one. Being truly conservative means supporting the precedent that was decided nearly 50 years ago, and has served us thus far. We need to stop letting this radical religious agenda be whitewashed as conservatism. It's born out of frustration with conservatism, but it is anything but conservative.

readflaggedcomm 5y ago
Dead black babies isn't a conservative position.
tablespoon 5y ago
> Being truly conservative means supporting the precedent that was decided nearly 50 years ago, and has served us thus far. That's a specious argument, since at its core you're just picking an arbitrary reference point that gets you the result you want. Also I don't think that "conservatism," properly understood, is about arbitrarily "conserving" everything.
- mindslight 5y ago
  I wasn't picking a point in time, rather pointing out that 50 years is a pretty long time - nearly two generations of people. Someone who was 15 years old for Roe v Wade would be 63 years old today. We feel sorry for the twenty-somethings of Afghanistan, who only ever knew freedom, seeing the Taliban take over their country. This is over twice as long. To me, the core of conservatism involves respecting existing institutions and customs, and wanting change to happen slowly. This has direct bearing on the topic, because it's incorrect to say this CEO had to step down due to having a "conservative" opinion. Rather, business is intrinsically conservative. It's just that our societal values in 2021 involve things that religious fundamentalists do not like, such as women's healthcare and rainbow flags. Big business isn't embracing these symbols so they can be activists pushing change, but rather to ingratiate their businesses with consumers by embracing change that has already happened. This CEO didn't have to step down because they were against some change or wanted to slow it down, but rather because they were advocating for a change that most people find repulsive. There would be similar pushback for any political opinion that was equally unpopular.

igetspam 5y ago

Perhaps CEOs should be smart enough to not make their ethics public on divisive issues where they find themselves in the minority. Seems like bad business.

epicureanideal 5y ago
Well, my point is that they do still make their ethics public on divisive issues where they find themselves in the minority... if those positions are typically held by the left.