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How is that different than Facebook? We have known for Facebook shady data policies for 10 years, and that has never prevented people from using it, why do you

How is that different than Facebook? We have known for Facebook shady data policies for 10 years, and that has never prevented people from using it, why do you think suddenly people would care more when it comes to TikTok?

jpomykala 5y ago
US government is simply more civilized and predictable.
- elliebike 5y ago
  ...really?
  - bbvxxdrgjn 5y ago
    Uh, yes. If you think the modern US government and Winnie the Pooh's wannabe Nazi empire are even in the same league, you are likely a CCP plant. The US has done a lot of incoherent, incompetent, and bad things. But the US won't disappear you if you say the wrong thing about Biden and isn't in the middle of literally rounding up an ethnic and religious minority and putting them in camps to cleanse their society of that ethnicity. Just as a start. So yes, really. Fucking idiots.
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  - quickthrowman 5y ago
    Let me pose a pair of questions that might make this easier to understand: -Is the US government currently involved in ethnic cleansing? -Is China currently involved in ethnic cleansing?
    - refenestrator 5y ago
      The US was killing more central asians than China every year of the last 20 years straight. Hopefully no longer true going forward. So, I guess it comes down to definitions and how you spin things. Personally, I'd say the country that killed more people was doing more bad stuff, but you can bracket things and explain why some 'count' more than others if you want.
      - MathCodeLove 5y ago
        > The US was killing more central asians than China every year of the last 20 years straight. Hopefully no longer true going forward. That's absolutely a fallacious comparison. 1. We don't have accurate data from China on the number imprisoned and killed by them, so no one can make absolutely comparisons like you did. 2. The Chinese do this to people living peacefully inside their borders. If the US started rounding up and killing ethnic minorities WW2 concentration camp style then you could make this comparison. The US was engaged in active conflict with a group that itself was detrimental to human (specifically, women's) rights and that engaged us first. I dont agree with a lot of what happened in the middle east, but you can't in good fairh stretch that as a comparison to fit your own narrative.
        refenestrator 5y ago
        There's those qualifications and spin I was asking for. China is bringing economic development, secular institutions and women's rights, in a heavy handed way, whether the residents want it or not, with minimal regard for costs to those residents. It's the exact same thing as we've been doing, minus a fig leaf of democracy. In neither case is the word genocide or ethnic cleansing appropriate, body counts don't support it. But it's especially rich to level the accusation 5 seconds after our 20 year war ended.
        MathCodeLove 5y ago
        Note the word "war". They killed us as well. Again, this is not comprable to the situation in China with the Uighur Muslims. Unless you're one of those running these camps, you don't have an accurate body count, so you don't know what word is or is not appropriate. Based on the perceived scale of the operation, genocide seems very much correct, but I have no more information than you. I don't understand how you can sit here and compare a war in the middle east to literal concentration camps. Stop performing mental gymnastics to fit your own narrative.
        refenestrator 5y ago
    - rakoo 5y ago
      This is a very narrow view of the problem at hand. Let me show you another narrow view that illustrates why it's not enough: - How many governments has the US toppled in an undemocratic process ? - How many governments has China toppled in an undemocratic process ? We could go on and on about this, to make a clear opinion on the subject requires far more than a single question.
- crateless 5y ago
  As they drop bombs on innocent people across the Middle East. smh
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    I think the majority of countries have dropped or shot bombs at somepoint in the last 100 years. Is that the only reason you do not think they are civilized? Any countries that have dropped bombs are not civilized?
    - Ekaros 5y ago
      Without declared wars... I don't think majority of countries have done that ones... Unless they were imperialist ones...
    - blitzar 5y ago
      > I think the majority of countries have dropped or shot bombs at somepoint in the last 100 years. 195 countries in the world... Only have to find ~100 countries that have bombed another country in the last century. Only thing I can see that is going to save that assumption is going to be ww2.
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- simiones 5y ago
  People in many parts of the world will have the exact opposite impression. So far, Chinese domination looks like new roads, while US domination looks like coups and war. Of course, this reflects the current relative advantages of both and I have no illusions about the risks of being dominated by any imperialistic power.
  - hcurtiss 5y ago
    Which just blows my mind. At a total US development aid of $34 billion in 2019, China is the only country that even comes close. The US's giving in the last fifty years (including massive sums to China) has been unparalleled in recorded history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors#:~:text=Net%20official%20development%20assistance%20by%20donor%20%20,%20%200.27%20%2025%20more%20rows%20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_countr... Of course, that's just development aid. US blows away all other countries in humanitarian aid too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/275597/largers-donor-countries-of-aid-worldwide/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/275597/largers-donor-cou...
    - luckylion 5y ago
      > US blows away all other countries in humanitarian aid too The problem is that they often do blow stuff away, quite literally. People aren't going to sing your praise for the new well you've dug after you've bombed their wedding and killed all their friends and family.
      - hcurtiss 5y ago
        Such a cynical position. I predict there will be domestic calls in the near future to significantly curtail the US's extraordinary benevolence -- nobody seems to appreciate it anyway. And that will benefit nobody other than maybe China, which has its own history with killing innocents.
        luckylion 5y ago
        If you reduced the development aid but also stopped bombing people, regime changes and all that good stuff that brings instability to a region, I'm sure everyone would be fine with that. If you want to do some good, take some refugees. Like, a significant number, not a homeopathic amount.
- dang 5y ago
  Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. It's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
ipaddr 5y ago
Facebook wants your data to sell higher priced targeted ads. Tiktok gives your data to China. I don't know what they are doing with it but they are not using it for better targetted ads. I guess when they request permission for my phone contacts, clipboard content, private photos at least I know they aren't using it for ads.

jpomykala 5y ago

US government is simply more civilized and predictable.

elliebike 5y ago
...really?
- bbvxxdrgjn 5y ago
  Uh, yes. If you think the modern US government and Winnie the Pooh's wannabe Nazi empire are even in the same league, you are likely a CCP plant. The US has done a lot of incoherent, incompetent, and bad things. But the US won't disappear you if you say the wrong thing about Biden and isn't in the middle of literally rounding up an ethnic and religious minority and putting them in camps to cleanse their society of that ethnicity. Just as a start. So yes, really. Fucking idiots.
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- quickthrowman 5y ago
  Let me pose a pair of questions that might make this easier to understand: -Is the US government currently involved in ethnic cleansing? -Is China currently involved in ethnic cleansing?
  - refenestrator 5y ago
    The US was killing more central asians than China every year of the last 20 years straight. Hopefully no longer true going forward. So, I guess it comes down to definitions and how you spin things. Personally, I'd say the country that killed more people was doing more bad stuff, but you can bracket things and explain why some 'count' more than others if you want.
    - MathCodeLove 5y ago
      > The US was killing more central asians than China every year of the last 20 years straight. Hopefully no longer true going forward. That's absolutely a fallacious comparison. 1. We don't have accurate data from China on the number imprisoned and killed by them, so no one can make absolutely comparisons like you did. 2. The Chinese do this to people living peacefully inside their borders. If the US started rounding up and killing ethnic minorities WW2 concentration camp style then you could make this comparison. The US was engaged in active conflict with a group that itself was detrimental to human (specifically, women's) rights and that engaged us first. I dont agree with a lot of what happened in the middle east, but you can't in good fairh stretch that as a comparison to fit your own narrative.
      - refenestrator 5y ago
        There's those qualifications and spin I was asking for. China is bringing economic development, secular institutions and women's rights, in a heavy handed way, whether the residents want it or not, with minimal regard for costs to those residents. It's the exact same thing as we've been doing, minus a fig leaf of democracy. In neither case is the word genocide or ethnic cleansing appropriate, body counts don't support it. But it's especially rich to level the accusation 5 seconds after our 20 year war ended.
        MathCodeLove 5y ago
        Note the word "war". They killed us as well. Again, this is not comprable to the situation in China with the Uighur Muslims. Unless you're one of those running these camps, you don't have an accurate body count, so you don't know what word is or is not appropriate. Based on the perceived scale of the operation, genocide seems very much correct, but I have no more information than you. I don't understand how you can sit here and compare a war in the middle east to literal concentration camps. Stop performing mental gymnastics to fit your own narrative.
        refenestrator 5y ago
  - rakoo 5y ago
    This is a very narrow view of the problem at hand. Let me show you another narrow view that illustrates why it's not enough: - How many governments has the US toppled in an undemocratic process ? - How many governments has China toppled in an undemocratic process ? We could go on and on about this, to make a clear opinion on the subject requires far more than a single question.
crateless 5y ago
As they drop bombs on innocent people across the Middle East. smh
- ipaddr 5y ago
  I think the majority of countries have dropped or shot bombs at somepoint in the last 100 years. Is that the only reason you do not think they are civilized? Any countries that have dropped bombs are not civilized?
  - Ekaros 5y ago
    Without declared wars... I don't think majority of countries have done that ones... Unless they were imperialist ones...
  - blitzar 5y ago
    > I think the majority of countries have dropped or shot bombs at somepoint in the last 100 years. 195 countries in the world... Only have to find ~100 countries that have bombed another country in the last century. Only thing I can see that is going to save that assumption is going to be ww2.
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simiones 5y ago
People in many parts of the world will have the exact opposite impression. So far, Chinese domination looks like new roads, while US domination looks like coups and war. Of course, this reflects the current relative advantages of both and I have no illusions about the risks of being dominated by any imperialistic power.
- hcurtiss 5y ago
  Which just blows my mind. At a total US development aid of $34 billion in 2019, China is the only country that even comes close. The US's giving in the last fifty years (including massive sums to China) has been unparalleled in recorded history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors#:~:text=Net%20official%20development%20assistance%20by%20donor%20%20,%20%200.27%20%2025%20more%20rows%20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_countr... Of course, that's just development aid. US blows away all other countries in humanitarian aid too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/275597/largers-donor-countries-of-aid-worldwide/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/275597/largers-donor-cou...
  - luckylion 5y ago
    > US blows away all other countries in humanitarian aid too The problem is that they often do blow stuff away, quite literally. People aren't going to sing your praise for the new well you've dug after you've bombed their wedding and killed all their friends and family.
    - hcurtiss 5y ago
      Such a cynical position. I predict there will be domestic calls in the near future to significantly curtail the US's extraordinary benevolence -- nobody seems to appreciate it anyway. And that will benefit nobody other than maybe China, which has its own history with killing innocents.
      - luckylion 5y ago
        If you reduced the development aid but also stopped bombing people, regime changes and all that good stuff that brings instability to a region, I'm sure everyone would be fine with that. If you want to do some good, take some refugees. Like, a significant number, not a homeopathic amount.
dang 5y ago
Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. It's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

ipaddr 5y ago

Facebook wants your data to sell higher priced targeted ads. Tiktok gives your data to China. I don't know what they are doing with it but they are not using it for better targetted ads. I guess when they request permission for my phone contacts, clipboard content, private photos at least I know they aren't using it for ads.