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Agreed. For at least some people, there is something deeply, deeply wicked about acid. I can't put my finger exactly on it but I always felt that it changed you

Agreed. For at least some people, there is something deeply, deeply wicked about acid. I can't put my finger exactly on it but I always felt that it changed your perceptions in such a way that made you feel like you were being enlightened and embracing universal love while at the same time making you capable of justifying enormous evil. Its like it makes you actually feel nihilist rather than just think nihilistic. Or something like that.

ParanoidShroom 5y ago
Would it be fair to say it makes you more 'radical'?
- blululu 5y ago
  Your mileage will almost certainly vary. It changes people in interesting and unpredictable ways. Sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse. I know people who became much more grounded through their use of psychedelics. Others much less so.
  - ipnon 5y ago
    Some changes are predictable. For instance most people will stop abusing drugs after strong psilocybin trips. See the work of Rolland Griffiths.
    - blululu 5y ago
      Most but not all. The opposite trend is less common but totally possible from personal observations. saying that a psychiatric procedure will result in specific changes would be stretching the truth from probably to necessarily. The first result I found in Google related to Griffiths is here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31084460/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31084460/ They are doing an anonymous online self selected reports and they find a strong effect but also 17% do not appear to exhibit the trend.
      - ipnon 5y ago
        For some perspective, this is the current state of the art pharmacological treatment for substance abuse disorder, as in no other available treatment has a stronger effect.
- ipnon 5y ago
  It makes the standard 9 to 5, hour long commute, and retire at 65 shtick unpalatable, but we in the West live in a radical society where you can already smoke pot, drive fast cars, play loud music, not start a family, and so on. Part of that is attributable to us living in a post-psychedelic world.
marcosdumay 5y ago
Every time I read somebody describing their experience with something I wonder if the reduced drug usage is one of the lead causes of the lack of warmongering we got since the late 20th century.
- hindsightbias 5y ago
  lead or lead lead? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead–crime_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead–crime_hypothesis
  - marcosdumay 5y ago
    Lead doesn't explain it, warmongering is something that has been high since ancient times, but airborne lead dates to the 20th century.
    - chownie 5y ago
      Dietary lead in the form of sweeteners for wine plus a little abraded from cups and pitchers has been present since antiquity, so could still stand?
    - hindsightbias 5y ago
      https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/07/did-lead-poisoning-cause-downfall-of-roman-empire-the-jury-is-still-out/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/07/did-lead-poisoning-c...
- fragmede 5y ago
  Reduced? Alcohol consumption is down (depending on how you view the stats), but drugs are winning the War on Drugs. Everyone else is losing. Legally, oxycontin is more highly regulated today, but the opoid epidemic is, well, an epidemic. Cannabis is legal for recreational use in many states. I willing to buy that something that's widely available in today's society has lead to less war (Internet porn, perhaps?), but I'd be surprised to hear in what ways drug use is down.
- denton-scratch 5y ago

ParanoidShroom 5y ago

Would it be fair to say it makes you more 'radical'?

blululu 5y ago
Your mileage will almost certainly vary. It changes people in interesting and unpredictable ways. Sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse. I know people who became much more grounded through their use of psychedelics. Others much less so.
- ipnon 5y ago
  Some changes are predictable. For instance most people will stop abusing drugs after strong psilocybin trips. See the work of Rolland Griffiths.
  - blululu 5y ago
    Most but not all. The opposite trend is less common but totally possible from personal observations. saying that a psychiatric procedure will result in specific changes would be stretching the truth from probably to necessarily. The first result I found in Google related to Griffiths is here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31084460/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31084460/ They are doing an anonymous online self selected reports and they find a strong effect but also 17% do not appear to exhibit the trend.
    - ipnon 5y ago
      For some perspective, this is the current state of the art pharmacological treatment for substance abuse disorder, as in no other available treatment has a stronger effect.
ipnon 5y ago
It makes the standard 9 to 5, hour long commute, and retire at 65 shtick unpalatable, but we in the West live in a radical society where you can already smoke pot, drive fast cars, play loud music, not start a family, and so on. Part of that is attributable to us living in a post-psychedelic world.

marcosdumay 5y ago

Every time I read somebody describing their experience with something I wonder if the reduced drug usage is one of the lead causes of the lack of warmongering we got since the late 20th century.

hindsightbias 5y ago
lead or lead lead? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead–crime_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead–crime_hypothesis
- marcosdumay 5y ago
  Lead doesn't explain it, warmongering is something that has been high since ancient times, but airborne lead dates to the 20th century.
  - chownie 5y ago
    Dietary lead in the form of sweeteners for wine plus a little abraded from cups and pitchers has been present since antiquity, so could still stand?
  - hindsightbias 5y ago
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/07/did-lead-poisoning-cause-downfall-of-roman-empire-the-jury-is-still-out/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/07/did-lead-poisoning-c...
fragmede 5y ago
Reduced? Alcohol consumption is down (depending on how you view the stats), but drugs are winning the War on Drugs. Everyone else is losing. Legally, oxycontin is more highly regulated today, but the opoid epidemic is, well, an epidemic. Cannabis is legal for recreational use in many states. I willing to buy that something that's widely available in today's society has lead to less war (Internet porn, perhaps?), but I'd be surprised to hear in what ways drug use is down.
denton-scratch 5y ago