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Universal healthcare actually saves money. It’s a mistaken assumption that conservatives always pick the cheapest or most efficient option. They pick the one

Universal healthcare actually saves money. It’s a mistaken assumption that conservatives always pick the cheapest or most efficient option. They pick the one that’s cheapest for people with a lot of assets. Individual insurance is paid for mostly by the middle class; universal healthcare is paid by taxes, which means rich people contribute more than they benefit.

fallingfrog 5y ago
Of course, if you want to explain why middle class conservatives support this position, it’s because the ideology of conservatism revolves around material success being equivalent to godliness. And as god’s chosen people and his representatives on earth it is their job to punish the iniquitous, therefore it is not only the privilege but also the duty of the powerful to trample on the weak. They couch this in rhetoric involving “personal responsibility” and so forth but this is what it really boils down to. So maintaining a moral order means punishing the unworthy. This means poor people, who are assumed to be slothful, and immigrants and brown people for other reasons. They are willing to pay money to make sure that the people they have contempt for, suffer. Once you understand this all sorts of things start to make sense.
imtringued 5y ago
I agree. Public healthcare has a strong incentive to cure you because your health problems are a liability to the tax collecting part of the government. Meanwhile private healthcare charges you for being ill. There is no profit incentive for a cure.
- Ekaros 5y ago
  I believe in actual private system there is incentive to cure people. Or they choose someone else who can fix the problem. I countries where there is public health care people choose private options because they get things done and faster. USA's system is perversion in all possible ways.
- zajio1am 5y ago
  That is a minor issue. Most public healthcare systems are not british-style NHS, and healthcare providers (doctors, hospitals) are independent of healthcare payers (public health insurance orgs) and are often private. The main advantage of public heathcare is that being single-payer it can use its monopolistic buyer power to push prices down. It leads to lower overall costs, but also to underinvestments and lower wages in healthcare.

fallingfrog 5y ago

Of course, if you want to explain why middle class conservatives support this position, it’s because the ideology of conservatism revolves around material success being equivalent to godliness. And as god’s chosen people and his representatives on earth it is their job to punish the iniquitous, therefore it is not only the privilege but also the duty of the powerful to trample on the weak. They couch this in rhetoric involving “personal responsibility” and so forth but this is what it really boils down to. So maintaining a moral order means punishing the unworthy. This means poor people, who are assumed to be slothful, and immigrants and brown people for other reasons. They are willing to pay money to make sure that the people they have contempt for, suffer. Once you understand this all sorts of things start to make sense.

imtringued 5y ago

I agree. Public healthcare has a strong incentive to cure you because your health problems are a liability to the tax collecting part of the government. Meanwhile private healthcare charges you for being ill. There is no profit incentive for a cure.

Ekaros 5y ago
I believe in actual private system there is incentive to cure people. Or they choose someone else who can fix the problem. I countries where there is public health care people choose private options because they get things done and faster. USA's system is perversion in all possible ways.
zajio1am 5y ago
That is a minor issue. Most public healthcare systems are not british-style NHS, and healthcare providers (doctors, hospitals) are independent of healthcare payers (public health insurance orgs) and are often private. The main advantage of public heathcare is that being single-payer it can use its monopolistic buyer power to push prices down. It leads to lower overall costs, but also to underinvestments and lower wages in healthcare.