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Turns out there is no shortage of people wanting to work. But there is a shortage on people wanting to be a slave of their job for a misery as compensation. So

by j1elo 5y ago

Turns out there is no shortage of people wanting to work. But there is a shortage on people wanting to be a slave of their job for a misery as compensation. So restaurants here keep complaining how come nobody wants to work with them. EDIT: I'm not joking, the salaries for mostly any position in a bar or a restaurant in Spain tend to be a joke with long hours and shameful conditions. Paying in cash to avoid taxes is a common thing. Doing extra hours without extra compensation as law requires. You don't like it? Ok bye, you're fired, and we'll complain to the news reporter on TV, about how nobody wants to work any more nowadays.

mdorazio 5y ago
Labor shortages weren’t a very big thing a month before the pandemic, so you have to ask yourself what changed. In many cases it’s that people got comfortable being paid a decent amount to not work, from the pandemic payouts. It’s a really interesting time to be looking at the economics of everything and see how this will play out over the next 12-18 months.
- ElFitz 5y ago
  Perhaps it’s only that, for the first time, they got some time to reflect on their job and actually notice the impact it had on their lives and health, realised it had never been worth it, and want to find something else?
  - spydum 5y ago
    I think it is closer to that. A lot of people were complacent in their jobs, and not nearly tapping their potential (market or otherwise). I can't tell you how many people I know or heard 2nd hand got furloughed or laid off, then landed a significantly better paying gig and never went back (sometimes wildly different industries). If they were never forced to change, I guarantee most would have stayed.
    - dillondoyle 5y ago
      Or got laid off, took the stimi, got more education to switch careers. I know 2 and I don't have a bunch of friends.
- inetknght 5y ago
  > In many cases it’s that people got comfortable being paid a decent amount to not work Americans got a paltry few thousand dollars. So you certainly agree that if a single payment amounts to more than their shit job then that shit job isn't paying enough.
  - damontal 5y ago
    Wasn’t unemployment boosted?
  - adam_arthur 5y ago
    Not quite right. Yes, America had two stimulus checks, but also Enhanced Unemployment benefits. Many people who made 20-30k/year working full-time, were suddenly making close to 50k/year without having to work for close to 2 years.
- notatoad 5y ago
  one thing that changed that often gets overlooked is that covid killed off 648k people so far in the US. that's a lot of people. I would fully expect there to be a labour shortage after approximately the population of las vegas is killed off. and i know that a lot of the deaths have been in older people who may have already been retired, but they are often the childcare providers who enable others to work.
Gigachad 5y ago
In most cases I would agree but right now I am seeing actual shortages. In just web development, it seems like this year every single company decided is the time to expand. And when every company decided to expand at the same time, there is a shortage of workers to fill those roles since you can't just pull senior developers from thin air or unis. I was making a comfortable wage previously but this year most of my coworkers have left for other jobs and I'm on the way out too since the current job listings are close to double what I make currently. An eye watering amount of money is on the table right now. But paying more is a zero sum game. To gain developers you have to be draining them from some other company and it will take years for new supply to come in.
- ikiris 5y ago
  No, this is not a shortage of people. This is a shortage of seniors willing to work for your "very competitive compensation". Prices are up because you're starting to actually have to compete with major players due to all the remote work normalizing the playing field.
  - Gigachad 5y ago
    It is a shortage because there are more open positions for senior developers than there are senior developers here. Paying more won't bring senior developers out of the void because there do not exist enough to fill all positions. If all companies expand at the same time they can not possibly all fill their positions no matter what they pay.
    - anonymoushn 5y ago
      What does "here" mean? If it's not "on Earth" then your issue may be that senior developers aren't willing to relocate for you when remote jobs exist.
      - Gigachad 5y ago
        I'm talking about the whole of Australia right now (remote but country based). I can see job listings have all exploded in listed salary and every company I talk to is looking to expand.

by j1elo 5y ago

mdorazio 5y ago

Labor shortages weren’t a very big thing a month before the pandemic, so you have to ask yourself what changed. In many cases it’s that people got comfortable being paid a decent amount to not work, from the pandemic payouts. It’s a really interesting time to be looking at the economics of everything and see how this will play out over the next 12-18 months.

ElFitz 5y ago
Perhaps it’s only that, for the first time, they got some time to reflect on their job and actually notice the impact it had on their lives and health, realised it had never been worth it, and want to find something else?
- spydum 5y ago
  I think it is closer to that. A lot of people were complacent in their jobs, and not nearly tapping their potential (market or otherwise). I can't tell you how many people I know or heard 2nd hand got furloughed or laid off, then landed a significantly better paying gig and never went back (sometimes wildly different industries). If they were never forced to change, I guarantee most would have stayed.
  - dillondoyle 5y ago
    Or got laid off, took the stimi, got more education to switch careers. I know 2 and I don't have a bunch of friends.
inetknght 5y ago
> In many cases it’s that people got comfortable being paid a decent amount to not work Americans got a paltry few thousand dollars. So you certainly agree that if a single payment amounts to more than their shit job then that shit job isn't paying enough.
- damontal 5y ago
  Wasn’t unemployment boosted?
- adam_arthur 5y ago
  Not quite right. Yes, America had two stimulus checks, but also Enhanced Unemployment benefits. Many people who made 20-30k/year working full-time, were suddenly making close to 50k/year without having to work for close to 2 years.
notatoad 5y ago
one thing that changed that often gets overlooked is that covid killed off 648k people so far in the US. that's a lot of people. I would fully expect there to be a labour shortage after approximately the population of las vegas is killed off. and i know that a lot of the deaths have been in older people who may have already been retired, but they are often the childcare providers who enable others to work.

Gigachad 5y ago

In most cases I would agree but right now I am seeing actual shortages. In just web development, it seems like this year every single company decided is the time to expand. And when every company decided to expand at the same time, there is a shortage of workers to fill those roles since you can't just pull senior developers from thin air or unis. I was making a comfortable wage previously but this year most of my coworkers have left for other jobs and I'm on the way out too since the current job listings are close to double what I make currently. An eye watering amount of money is on the table right now. But paying more is a zero sum game. To gain developers you have to be draining them from some other company and it will take years for new supply to come in.

ikiris 5y ago
No, this is not a shortage of people. This is a shortage of seniors willing to work for your "very competitive compensation". Prices are up because you're starting to actually have to compete with major players due to all the remote work normalizing the playing field.
- Gigachad 5y ago
  It is a shortage because there are more open positions for senior developers than there are senior developers here. Paying more won't bring senior developers out of the void because there do not exist enough to fill all positions. If all companies expand at the same time they can not possibly all fill their positions no matter what they pay.
  - anonymoushn 5y ago
    What does "here" mean? If it's not "on Earth" then your issue may be that senior developers aren't willing to relocate for you when remote jobs exist.
    - Gigachad 5y ago
      I'm talking about the whole of Australia right now (remote but country based). I can see job listings have all exploded in listed salary and every company I talk to is looking to expand.