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But the problem is that there isn't any primates/non-white humans differentiation because humans are primates. I doubt anybody smart enough to be an AI enginee

But the problem is that there isn't any primates/non-white humans differentiation because humans are primates. I doubt anybody smart enough to be an AI engineer of any race would care if they were called a primate, because they are.

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
I feel like this is a very "engineer" response that completely ignores how society in general would view this. Yes, humans are primates. But this wasn't a discussion about taxonomy in biology class. There are lots of cases where primates is used in everyday language where it is clearly intended to refer solely to monkeys and apes. When I go to the "primate house" at the zoo I'm not going to expect to see naked humans behind the glass.
- fallingknife 5y ago
  But an AI image recognition system is a very "engineer" kind of thing.
  - adventured 5y ago
    And in cases where that engineer thing is used on people - it matters when you label a black person as a primate on a live social media network, since it's understood that would be likely to cause significant offense.
  - tartoran 5y ago
    Right and that’s why we should curtail its use because thinking in an engineering box suits very few real world examples. This algorithm is clearly broken, it doesn’t label all people as primates, it labels Black people wearing a green T-shirt possibly as such, I mean I’m sorry but that algorithm is definitely broken. The person in question should not be labeled as primate by any means not should any other humans unless the context is specifically some form of species taxonomy. Also your reaction seems to be all daisies and roses, and I don’t blame you for your social context ignorance you displat, I guess you are just an engineer after all..
ant6n 5y ago
I was gonna write "monkey-blackppl-differentiation", but decided it was too offensive and aimed for more neutral language, thinking for anybody who doesn't want to be an asshole it's clear what it's about.
petre 5y ago
Does the subject have clothes on? Most probably not a monkey.

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago

I feel like this is a very "engineer" response that completely ignores how society in general would view this. Yes, humans are primates. But this wasn't a discussion about taxonomy in biology class. There are lots of cases where primates is used in everyday language where it is clearly intended to refer solely to monkeys and apes. When I go to the "primate house" at the zoo I'm not going to expect to see naked humans behind the glass.

fallingknife 5y ago
But an AI image recognition system is a very "engineer" kind of thing.
- adventured 5y ago
  And in cases where that engineer thing is used on people - it matters when you label a black person as a primate on a live social media network, since it's understood that would be likely to cause significant offense.
- tartoran 5y ago
  Right and that’s why we should curtail its use because thinking in an engineering box suits very few real world examples. This algorithm is clearly broken, it doesn’t label all people as primates, it labels Black people wearing a green T-shirt possibly as such, I mean I’m sorry but that algorithm is definitely broken. The person in question should not be labeled as primate by any means not should any other humans unless the context is specifically some form of species taxonomy. Also your reaction seems to be all daisies and roses, and I don’t blame you for your social context ignorance you displat, I guess you are just an engineer after all..

ant6n 5y ago

I was gonna write "monkey-blackppl-differentiation", but decided it was too offensive and aimed for more neutral language, thinking for anybody who doesn't want to be an asshole it's clear what it's about.

petre 5y ago

Does the subject have clothes on? Most probably not a monkey.