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A recent Israeli study showed effectiveness. Of course that was ivermectin made for humans and administered by a doctor. https://m.jpost.com/health-science/isr

A recent Israeli study showed effectiveness. Of course that was ivermectin made for humans and administered by a doctor. https://m.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-covid-19-could-be-treated-for-under-1day-675612 https://m.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-co...

nradov 5y ago
A recent small Lebanese clinical trial also showed effectiveness. Naturally the doctors administered the human formulation, not veterinary. https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/989 https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/989
SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
I think India pushed it pretty hard. And Japan is now, so that will be interesting to see. Is the Ivermectin in the horse product different from the human version? Or does the FDA just have higher standards for animal v human products and no one knows if the line making the horse product is clean and free of things like benzene (industrial solvent, liquid cancer, that sometimes makes it into products, sunscreen most recently)?
- nradov 5y ago
  The molecule is the same in all formulations. The FDA also has high standards for veterinary products. Most likely idiots are just taking way too much. With medicine some people have the idea that if a little bit is good then more must be better. (I am not recommending that anyone take medication for unapproved purposes.)
  - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
    Makes sense. That syringe on the horse paste is insane anyone would trust that. But if you were to measure a sub-gram amount on a good scale, that seems a lot safer than taking almost any recreational drug besides pot.
meheleventyone 5y ago
Should qualify that with effectiveness in reducing the length of active covid disease and amount of viral shedding rather than as a preventative. Looks like a promising study though if it passes muster, can be replicated and like you say isn’t horse dewormer!
jeffbee 5y ago
Strangely the research in question "Ivermectin vs. Placebo for the Treatment of Patients With Mild to Moderate COVID-19" by the supposed researcher Eli Schwartz is shown as expecting results in September 2020 (i.e. a year ago), but no results have been posted. I think it's possible, just barely possible, that when the results of a supposed random drug trial are available exclusively on YouTube, and are suspiciously absent from medical journals and government databases, you should treat the alleged "outcome" with extreme skepticism.
- smileypete 5y ago
  This one? https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v...
refactor_master 5y ago
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v1#disqus_thread https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v... Not peer reviewed, and the comments seem to point out a lot of poor methodology. Naturally also followed by a lot of “why would anyone in academia ever lie about results”.
- jeffbee 5y ago
  The NCT they claim in the abstract contains no results whatsoever.
ec109685 5y ago
An important note is that no study has shown it to be more effective than getting the vaccine, so it’s unfortunate people are putting all their fate into something less scrutinized and less effective.
toddh 5y ago
In https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNgzxQmM3AU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNgzxQmM3AU Dr. Daniel Griffin talks about the data not being in yet either way. But the studies are underway.

nradov 5y ago

A recent small Lebanese clinical trial also showed effectiveness. Naturally the doctors administered the human formulation, not veterinary. https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/989 https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/989

SV_BubbleTime 5y ago

I think India pushed it pretty hard. And Japan is now, so that will be interesting to see. Is the Ivermectin in the horse product different from the human version? Or does the FDA just have higher standards for animal v human products and no one knows if the line making the horse product is clean and free of things like benzene (industrial solvent, liquid cancer, that sometimes makes it into products, sunscreen most recently)?

nradov 5y ago
The molecule is the same in all formulations. The FDA also has high standards for veterinary products. Most likely idiots are just taking way too much. With medicine some people have the idea that if a little bit is good then more must be better. (I am not recommending that anyone take medication for unapproved purposes.)
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
  Makes sense. That syringe on the horse paste is insane anyone would trust that. But if you were to measure a sub-gram amount on a good scale, that seems a lot safer than taking almost any recreational drug besides pot.

meheleventyone 5y ago

Should qualify that with effectiveness in reducing the length of active covid disease and amount of viral shedding rather than as a preventative. Looks like a promising study though if it passes muster, can be replicated and like you say isn’t horse dewormer!

jeffbee 5y ago

Strangely the research in question "Ivermectin vs. Placebo for the Treatment of Patients With Mild to Moderate COVID-19" by the supposed researcher Eli Schwartz is shown as expecting results in September 2020 (i.e. a year ago), but no results have been posted. I think it's possible, just barely possible, that when the results of a supposed random drug trial are available exclusively on YouTube, and are suspiciously absent from medical journals and government databases, you should treat the alleged "outcome" with extreme skepticism.

smileypete 5y ago
This one? https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v...

refactor_master 5y ago

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v1#disqus_thread https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v... Not peer reviewed, and the comments seem to point out a lot of poor methodology. Naturally also followed by a lot of “why would anyone in academia ever lie about results”.

jeffbee 5y ago
The NCT they claim in the abstract contains no results whatsoever.

ec109685 5y ago

An important note is that no study has shown it to be more effective than getting the vaccine, so it’s unfortunate people are putting all their fate into something less scrutinized and less effective.

toddh 5y ago

In https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNgzxQmM3AU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNgzxQmM3AU Dr. Daniel Griffin talks about the data not being in yet either way. But the studies are underway.