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> she’s making huge leaps to claim that her 3rd-floor apartment is being filled with VOCs from an old toxic waste container I think part of her original argume

> she’s making huge leaps to claim that her 3rd-floor apartment is being filled with VOCs from an old toxic waste container I think part of her original argument in the case was that the cleanup was never actually performed, the city rubber-stamped the job, and that the entire site might actually be contaminated. She was getting the run around trying to investigate, everyone involved refused to look into any facet of the grounds. I don't recall if she provided any specific evidence of this causing a measurable affect in here apartment or not.

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dekhn 5y ago
what you're basically saying is that her "claim that the cleanup wasn't really done is consistent with the visible evidence", but the reality is there are many more other more believable ways to explain the visible evidence than hers, which are more likely from a scientific perspective. Superfund sites like this are pretty well understood and characterized at this point, which ongoing monitoring and sampling done by multiple parties. The only way to see into this, however, is to get involved in local politics or hire lawyers to do some investigation. ashley instead appears to have done a terrible job at "investigation" and then threw a bunch of unrelated "facts and opinions" together to make it sound more legitimate. Here's an example of an actual superfund site that has had all sorts of problems that likely affected the health of people nearby: https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/03/25/hunters-point-shipyard-residents-radiation-settlement/ https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/03/25/hunters-point-s... That's a legal case where actual legal people did actual real investigation and uncovered strong evidence of corruption. By the way the more you learn about what happened in the bay area in the 1940s-70s, the less surprised you should be by any of this, or why we exported semiconductor manufacturing.
- linuxftw 5y ago
  > That's a legal case where actual legal people did actual real investigation and uncovered strong evidence of corruption. I think if there's evidence of corruption in one, that's evidence of corruption in all. The entire area needs an independent investigation IMO. Unfortunately, California is still struggling with basic things like electricity, so that's unlikely to happen any time soon.
  - dekhn 5y ago
    there's no reason to assume general corruption simply because of the Bayview Hunters Point debacle. The investigation would have to be federal, as it's Superfund, which is federal and supercedes local law.

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dekhn 5y ago

what you're basically saying is that her "claim that the cleanup wasn't really done is consistent with the visible evidence", but the reality is there are many more other more believable ways to explain the visible evidence than hers, which are more likely from a scientific perspective. Superfund sites like this are pretty well understood and characterized at this point, which ongoing monitoring and sampling done by multiple parties. The only way to see into this, however, is to get involved in local politics or hire lawyers to do some investigation. ashley instead appears to have done a terrible job at "investigation" and then threw a bunch of unrelated "facts and opinions" together to make it sound more legitimate. Here's an example of an actual superfund site that has had all sorts of problems that likely affected the health of people nearby: https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/03/25/hunters-point-shipyard-residents-radiation-settlement/ https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/03/25/hunters-point-s... That's a legal case where actual legal people did actual real investigation and uncovered strong evidence of corruption. By the way the more you learn about what happened in the bay area in the 1940s-70s, the less surprised you should be by any of this, or why we exported semiconductor manufacturing.

linuxftw 5y ago
> That's a legal case where actual legal people did actual real investigation and uncovered strong evidence of corruption. I think if there's evidence of corruption in one, that's evidence of corruption in all. The entire area needs an independent investigation IMO. Unfortunately, California is still struggling with basic things like electricity, so that's unlikely to happen any time soon.
- dekhn 5y ago
  there's no reason to assume general corruption simply because of the Bayview Hunters Point debacle. The investigation would have to be federal, as it's Superfund, which is federal and supercedes local law.