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E) Their promise that they would only include scanning of images that appeared in multiple countries' databases. As of right now, is there even a database othe

E) Their promise that they would only include scanning of images that appeared in multiple countries' databases. As of right now, is there even a database other than the one NCMEC has? I suspect they are waiting for the NCMEC to spin up its European branch.

josefx 5y ago
They are probably just waiting for several countries to spin up their databases of gay porn and blasphemous / regime critical memes. Shouldn't be too hard to find two of those countries working on a shared "child abuse" database now that the feature has been widely publicized.
- camgunz 5y ago
  Honestly, maybe that happened and they went "oh. shit." and now they're "delaying".
- Animats 5y ago
  There's so much censorship now worldwide, and it's increasing. Russia doesn't allow promotion of the gay agenda. Parts of the Islamic world view criticism of Islam as a killing offense. China won't tolerate the flag of Taiwan, Falun Gong, or criticism of the Party. Afghanistan no longer allows music. A decade ago, all those things were on the Internet worldwide.
  - ilamont 5y ago
    China is also cracking down on LGBTQ groups: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57759480 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57759480 Many of the closed WeChat accounts display messages saying that they had "violated" Internet regulations, without giving further details. The account names have also been deleted and just read "unnamed". "After receiving relevant complaints, all content has been blocked and the account has been suspended," the notice said. The crackdown is the latest example of what some call growing intolerance toward the LGBT community. Last year, Shanghai Pride week, modelled on Pride events in the West, was cancelled without explanation after 11 years of it going ahead. In 2019, the Oscar-winning Freddie Mercury biopic Bohemian Rhapsody was released in Chinese cinemas, but references to the Queen singer's sexuality and AIDS diagnosis were censored. In 2018, Weibo said all posts related to homosexuality would be taken down, although it backtracked after massive outrage.
    - totetsu 5y ago
      WeChat seems like a pretty big part of life in China and with the know your customer requirements I imagine those accounts are links to individuals. It must be a nightmare to have one canceled.
    - noduerme 5y ago
      And most recently, China wants to censor less masculine men: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-bans-sissy-men-tv/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-bans-sissy-men-tv/ I have a theory about this that isn't politically correct, but here goes. This has nothing to "conservative values" or homophobia or whatever you call sexual repression in places like Arkansas and Afghanistan. It's not based on religion or culture. It's just the CCP running an actuarial table. The CCP is a blunt force instrument. It realized some time ago that the one-child policy had left it holding the bag on taking care of a rapidly aging population without enough young people to power the economy in 10-20 years. Not only that, you couldn't easily just repeal the policy and expect a baby boom. They took a look at Japan and realized they were about to hit a demographically driven, deflationary wall. So the party planners moved from repealing the 1CPolicy to actually offering cash bonuses for second children. This volte-face happened within a few short years. But it didn't work as well as expected. Their sudden magnanimous gesture didn't bump their 5-year plan's crop of new Han for a few reasons: A shortage of women (unexpected consequence of the 1CP), more women in the workforce who don't want to have children, video game culture which makes young men stay home instead of going out and impregnating girls -- which is why they're now limiting screen time, gender fluidity / queerness which suppresses baby-generation, and of course western individualism, the great bugbear of "harmony," which encourages people to wait for love and financial stability before having children. At the end of 5 years of encouraging people to have babies, they don't have enough babies. So now they have to get harder on the edge cases. It's probably safe to assume that gays and lesbians represent at least 10% of the Chinese population as they do in most countries. So that's what, 120 million people? Let's say half of whom are young enough to have at least one child? So we're talking about an extra 30-60 million children if you can somehow get a replacement rate. That's what I believe all these recent moves by the CCP have been about. And banning test study programs? Same thing. No point having more babies if you're also getting overproduction of elites. They need construction workers and factory workers. And someone was told, we ain't gonna become Germany by bringing them in from Tajikistan, so take this data and figure out how to squeeze as much Han production as possible out of it in the next 5 years.
  - ldargin 5y ago
    You can add U.S. states banning "Critical Race Theory" to that list.
    - hanselot 5y ago
      Ironically I agree. You should be exposed to every religion after learning how to think critically. That way you can train your propaganda filter instead of falling prey to sophistry.
    - klipklop 5y ago
      You left out the "in public schools" part. You can still look at all the CRT stuff you want on the internet in the US. Stuff like White Fragility are top sellers in the US. This is not even remotely the same as the Taliban banning music or China cracking down on LGBTQ stuff.
      - jandrese 5y ago
        Which was extra silly because CRT wasn't being taught in public schools unless you are also including public universities.
        miles 5y ago
        Yes, critical race theory is being taught in public schools[1] > Christopher Rufo reported[2] that 30 public school districts in 15 states are teaching a book, Not My Idea, that tells readers that “whiteness” leads white people to make deals with the devil for “stolen land, stolen riches, and special favors.” White people get to “mess endlessly with the lives of your friends, neighbors, loved ones, and all fellow humans of color for the purpose of profit,” the book adds. > There are plenty of other examples that prove racial essentialism and collective guilt are being taught to young students. In Cupertino, California, an elementary school required[3] third graders to rank themselves according to the “power and privilege” associated with their ethnicities. Schools in Buffalo, New York, taught students[4] that “all white people” perpetuate “systemic racism” and had kindergarteners watch a video of dead black children, warning them about “racist police and state-sanctioned violence.” And in Arizona, the state’s education department sent out[5] an “equity toolkit” to schools that claimed infants as young as 3 months old can start to show signs of racism and “remain strongly biased in favor of whiteness” by age 5. [1] https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/yes-critical-race-theory-is-being-taught-in-public-schools https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/yes-critical-race... [2] https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1413292881264005126 https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1413292881264005126 [3] https://www.city-journal.org/identity-politics-in-cupertino-california-elementary-school https://www.city-journal.org/identity-politics-in-cupertino-... [4] https://www.city-journal.org/buffalo-public-schools-critical-race-theory-curriculum https://www.city-journal.org/buffalo-public-schools-critical... [5] https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/arizona-education-baby-toddler-racism-three-months https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/arizona-education-ba...
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
  The canary will be when the dissident Winnie the Pooh starts being disappeared.
Mindwipe 5y ago
Yes, the IWF database. Indeed, the NCMEC database does not have an especially good reputation, much like MCMEC themselves.
WaitWaitWha 5y ago
There is International Centre for Missing and Exploited Children) (ICMEC), Child Exploitation and On-line Protection (CEOP), Parents and Abducted Children Together (PACT), Missing Children Europe (MCE), and more just in Europe. ICMEC is a fork of NCMEC.

josefx 5y ago

They are probably just waiting for several countries to spin up their databases of gay porn and blasphemous / regime critical memes. Shouldn't be too hard to find two of those countries working on a shared "child abuse" database now that the feature has been widely publicized.

camgunz 5y ago
Honestly, maybe that happened and they went "oh. shit." and now they're "delaying".
Animats 5y ago
There's so much censorship now worldwide, and it's increasing. Russia doesn't allow promotion of the gay agenda. Parts of the Islamic world view criticism of Islam as a killing offense. China won't tolerate the flag of Taiwan, Falun Gong, or criticism of the Party. Afghanistan no longer allows music. A decade ago, all those things were on the Internet worldwide.
- ilamont 5y ago
  China is also cracking down on LGBTQ groups: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57759480 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57759480 Many of the closed WeChat accounts display messages saying that they had "violated" Internet regulations, without giving further details. The account names have also been deleted and just read "unnamed". "After receiving relevant complaints, all content has been blocked and the account has been suspended," the notice said. The crackdown is the latest example of what some call growing intolerance toward the LGBT community. Last year, Shanghai Pride week, modelled on Pride events in the West, was cancelled without explanation after 11 years of it going ahead. In 2019, the Oscar-winning Freddie Mercury biopic Bohemian Rhapsody was released in Chinese cinemas, but references to the Queen singer's sexuality and AIDS diagnosis were censored. In 2018, Weibo said all posts related to homosexuality would be taken down, although it backtracked after massive outrage.
  - totetsu 5y ago
    WeChat seems like a pretty big part of life in China and with the know your customer requirements I imagine those accounts are links to individuals. It must be a nightmare to have one canceled.
  - noduerme 5y ago
    And most recently, China wants to censor less masculine men: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-bans-sissy-men-tv/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-bans-sissy-men-tv/ I have a theory about this that isn't politically correct, but here goes. This has nothing to "conservative values" or homophobia or whatever you call sexual repression in places like Arkansas and Afghanistan. It's not based on religion or culture. It's just the CCP running an actuarial table. The CCP is a blunt force instrument. It realized some time ago that the one-child policy had left it holding the bag on taking care of a rapidly aging population without enough young people to power the economy in 10-20 years. Not only that, you couldn't easily just repeal the policy and expect a baby boom. They took a look at Japan and realized they were about to hit a demographically driven, deflationary wall. So the party planners moved from repealing the 1CPolicy to actually offering cash bonuses for second children. This volte-face happened within a few short years. But it didn't work as well as expected. Their sudden magnanimous gesture didn't bump their 5-year plan's crop of new Han for a few reasons: A shortage of women (unexpected consequence of the 1CP), more women in the workforce who don't want to have children, video game culture which makes young men stay home instead of going out and impregnating girls -- which is why they're now limiting screen time, gender fluidity / queerness which suppresses baby-generation, and of course western individualism, the great bugbear of "harmony," which encourages people to wait for love and financial stability before having children. At the end of 5 years of encouraging people to have babies, they don't have enough babies. So now they have to get harder on the edge cases. It's probably safe to assume that gays and lesbians represent at least 10% of the Chinese population as they do in most countries. So that's what, 120 million people? Let's say half of whom are young enough to have at least one child? So we're talking about an extra 30-60 million children if you can somehow get a replacement rate. That's what I believe all these recent moves by the CCP have been about. And banning test study programs? Same thing. No point having more babies if you're also getting overproduction of elites. They need construction workers and factory workers. And someone was told, we ain't gonna become Germany by bringing them in from Tajikistan, so take this data and figure out how to squeeze as much Han production as possible out of it in the next 5 years.
- ldargin 5y ago
  You can add U.S. states banning "Critical Race Theory" to that list.
  - hanselot 5y ago
    Ironically I agree. You should be exposed to every religion after learning how to think critically. That way you can train your propaganda filter instead of falling prey to sophistry.
  - klipklop 5y ago
    You left out the "in public schools" part. You can still look at all the CRT stuff you want on the internet in the US. Stuff like White Fragility are top sellers in the US. This is not even remotely the same as the Taliban banning music or China cracking down on LGBTQ stuff.
    - jandrese 5y ago
      Which was extra silly because CRT wasn't being taught in public schools unless you are also including public universities.
      - miles 5y ago
        Yes, critical race theory is being taught in public schools[1] > Christopher Rufo reported[2] that 30 public school districts in 15 states are teaching a book, Not My Idea, that tells readers that “whiteness” leads white people to make deals with the devil for “stolen land, stolen riches, and special favors.” White people get to “mess endlessly with the lives of your friends, neighbors, loved ones, and all fellow humans of color for the purpose of profit,” the book adds. > There are plenty of other examples that prove racial essentialism and collective guilt are being taught to young students. In Cupertino, California, an elementary school required[3] third graders to rank themselves according to the “power and privilege” associated with their ethnicities. Schools in Buffalo, New York, taught students[4] that “all white people” perpetuate “systemic racism” and had kindergarteners watch a video of dead black children, warning them about “racist police and state-sanctioned violence.” And in Arizona, the state’s education department sent out[5] an “equity toolkit” to schools that claimed infants as young as 3 months old can start to show signs of racism and “remain strongly biased in favor of whiteness” by age 5. [1] https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/yes-critical-race-theory-is-being-taught-in-public-schools https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/yes-critical-race... [2] https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1413292881264005126 https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1413292881264005126 [3] https://www.city-journal.org/identity-politics-in-cupertino-california-elementary-school https://www.city-journal.org/identity-politics-in-cupertino-... [4] https://www.city-journal.org/buffalo-public-schools-critical-race-theory-curriculum https://www.city-journal.org/buffalo-public-schools-critical... [5] https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/arizona-education-baby-toddler-racism-three-months https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/arizona-education-ba...
kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
The canary will be when the dissident Winnie the Pooh starts being disappeared.

Mindwipe 5y ago

Yes, the IWF database. Indeed, the NCMEC database does not have an especially good reputation, much like MCMEC themselves.

WaitWaitWha 5y ago

There is International Centre for Missing and Exploited Children) (ICMEC), Child Exploitation and On-line Protection (CEOP), Parents and Abducted Children Together (PACT), Missing Children Europe (MCE), and more just in Europe. ICMEC is a fork of NCMEC.