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Her story about having to turn over nude photos of herself, stored on her personally-owned (edit: apparently a work phone) phone, to Apple lawyers sounded very

• dvt 5y ago
  Sometimes I just hate the internet and its extreme bouts of populism. Everyone wants to air their dirty laundry in public and the Twitter masses celebrate it. We love the clicks, we love the drama, we love hating on Apple, or Google, or this guy or that girl. "Did you hear what he said?" or "Did you hear the rumor that..."—it's a high school cafeteria for adults. We get so caught up in other people's lives, we forget to pay attention to our own. And we thought reality TV was bad.
• teakettle42 5y ago
  The photos were on a company phone, owned and supplied by Apple, for company use. According to the story, the contents of her work phone were legally required to be turned over under as part of the civil discovery process in a trial. Apple does not require you to use company devices for personal, sensitive data, and in fact, is quite clear about the risks inherent in doing so. Nevertheless, she chose to store nude photos on a company device, mixing her company communications with personal communications. How are the consequences of her inappropriate use of company resources Apple's fault?
  • saagarjha 5y ago
    > Apple does not require you to use company devices for personal, sensitive data, and in fact, is quite clear about the risks inherent in doing so. I disagree. In some cases they might be, but I know several people who dogfood on those devices without really understanding what this could entail.
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    • khazhoux 5y ago
      Even if you skip the legalese when you configure the device... If your company hands you a device, don't then aim the camera at your genitals. If your device has Caffe Macs and Radar apps installed, don't point it at your junk. If you used a device to go over OKR status in the morning, don't point it down your pants at night. If your Photos app alternates between pictures of the whiteboard from your system architecture meeting, and snapshots of your tickly parts, take a moment to think if maybe there's a problem there. I mean... should we cater so much to people that can't figure this out themselves?
      • laurent92 5y ago
        Totally 200% approved. However I have the same problem with the Photos app on my personal phone. Apple lacks a proper way to store the private-private stash of late-night consumption vs daytime photos. I never show photos on my iPhone to friends, I never lend it to children, despite carefully triaging photos into albums of my holidays vs memes vs photos of administrative papers vs… porn. They shouldn’t have been in the same app to start with. In a twist of irony, if Apple employees dogfooded their porn stash a little more with their work iPhone, maybe they would have actually come up with a “Photovault” feature, which doesn’t mix the photos in the photostream, nor uploads them to the cloud, which lead the photo scanning scandal of last week.
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      • arcticbull 5y ago
        Working at companies that issued laptops and phones, people looked at me sideways when I told them that I in fact carried two laptops and two phones. It's not just for photographs taken south of the border, so to speak. If you do anything on company property or time (including laptops and phones) that isn't 100% company work, it can get caught up in subpoenas, discovery and other miscellaneous legal proceedings that your employer may be a party to. This can land you in legal hot water even if these activities had nothing to do with your employer. Once the DA's got your files, they can charge you with anything you may have dug up even if it's not related to their primary inquiries. Your drug-fueled trips to burning man may not look so entertaining to the DA. Further the California blanket IP ownership exemptions only apply to things you do on your own time and your own property. If you come up with a fun startup idea, and you write some notes down on your work laptop or text your buddy on your work phone, you should just assume it belongs to the company. Anyways, for anyone who needs to hear it again, for the love of all that's good and holy do not take photos of your genitals with company property. And if you work somewhere you're assigned a laptop and a phone, you can probably afford your own of each. If that's the case I highly recommend it. As an Apple employee, the corporate discounts are worth taking advantage of.
  • paganel 5y ago
    Apple’s toilets are also company properties, I expect the Apple employees would find it strange for their intimate parts to be made public only because said intimate parts had direct and unmitigated contact with Apple’s property (like the seats from those toilets). Point is there should be a limit to the amount of snooping in a company is expected to do/carry out, in this case Apple the company has clearly exceeded that limit.
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• sparky_z 5y ago
  Coming to her webpage without any further context, I'm having real trouble understanding her "Apple Story". It starts with her publishing an article[0] about her apartment complex being built on a former toxic waste site. And Apple immediately gets mad and starts retaliating against her? Why? What do they care about this article that, as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with them whatsoever? What's Apple's motivation here? [0] https://sfbayview.com/2021/03/i-thought-i-was-dying-my-apartment-was-built-on-toxic-waste/ https://sfbayview.com/2021/03/i-thought-i-was-dying-my-apart...
  • notsureaboutpg 5y ago
    It was confusing. I think she uses the story about the apartment to show later that Apple's not respecting her medical leave or requiring her to provide medical evidence that she could not come into the office post-COVID were unfounded?
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  • prawn 5y ago
    No comment on the Apple aspect, but I found that apartment story well-written and detailed. I don't even live in the same hemisphere and have no real reason care yet I still read to the end. Normally that sort of scenario is inevitably a hypochondriac conflating drama.
    • arcticbull 5y ago
      This entire article seems like speculation. There was an early focus on the idea that the VOC contamination in the unit must be a result of the previous use of the land in agriculture. However, there never was any evidence from study that there were VOCs in the unit (except a handheld tester of unknown provenance) or if there were, that the VOCs came from contamination/land use. More importantly, the DTSC representative even suggested that if there were VOCs, they most likely came from construction. There's a lot of accusations without anything more than circumstantial evidence - but the path forward here seems clear. The first air quality assessment came back inconclusive. So do another. > I argued back and forth with DTSC for months about next steps. At several points, she told me if I could give them proof of chemicals in my body and apartment that could cause my symptoms and be linked to the chemicals on site, then they “can continue to investigate further.” > I kept pushing back that they were asking a normal resident to pay for and perform seemingly industrial testing. I was also very concerned that a government agency seemed to be asking for my medical records. At one point they said they were happy to talk directly with one of my doctors. WTF. Holy moly. Do the test. If it's that important, do the test. Seek compensation after. This seems like a new building, new construction and if there were VOCs the most likely source sounds like adhesives from the construction. It's possible Ashley is particularly sensitive to them. I've met people like that before.
• saagarjha 5y ago
  I don’t want to reduce the rest of her message, which is sobering, but the photos were on a work device that she was encouraged to use as a personal one.
  • tyingq 5y ago
    Ah, thanks, updated.
• prawn 5y ago
  Was there context for that smoking gun link?
  • blahedo 5y ago
    That's among the worst, but not the only, direct evidence she presents of harassment at Apple; deeper context is at the other link (where she has screenshotted her extensive Twitter presence on this subject for the last month or so).
• rdtsc 5y ago
  Some of the stuff they did to her was so creepy, like trying to get her to eat at this restaurant, then when she got there, paying for her $300 dinner, and then pressuring her to date the sous-chef. Then, in another incident, attacked her with a "surprise" nerf gun ambush, recorded her screams and then turned them into a remix and shared it with everyone. Even after she told them she has PTSD from past physical violence. Were those people ever reprimanded? It seems like they haven't. The nerf gun email exchange was a bit odd though, it read as though she is joking and playing along. If I had read just that email chain, without the rest of the context, her saying stuff like "I need to out mischief them - hide or boobytrap their toys maybe", might be interpreted as something more benign. But, it's worth acknowledging that it would be hard to go against the grain, even though saying something like "what they are doing is disruptive, ask them to stop" might have had a better effect.
  • dekhn 5y ago
    you're taking her words at face value. don't. she is taking events and reinterpreting them to sound super-favorable to her.
    • rdtsc 5y ago
      Well that's why I highlighted the odd tone in the email. The other odd thing was the "Make Ashley's Life a Living Hell" ticket screenshot. It looks incredibly bad, but then she replies on the ticket which can be perceived as playing along. I understand that victims sometimes cope that way, by pretending to go along, hoping the abuse would stop, but at the same time, it makes it harder to convince others later how bad things were.