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I thought we were over counting, not under... https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-phe-accused-exaggerating-deaths-093838013.html https://uk.news.yahoo.com/co

I thought we were over counting, not under... https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-phe-accused-exaggerating-deaths-093838013.html https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-phe-accused-exaggerati...

sterlind 5y ago
if 'we' means Public Health England, then you're correct. but other countries aren't reporting that way.
josephcsible 5y ago
Excess deaths includes both deaths due to COVID itself and deaths due to society's response to it. We overcounted the former, but the presence of the latter more than makes up for that.
eplanit 5y ago
Twain's observation is timeless: Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
magneticnorth 5y ago
The article you linked seems to be about the UK, specifically, and the reason to suspect over-counting of covid deaths in the UK is based on covid death comparisons with nearby countries. The economist study is global, and is counting excess deaths during the pandemic, whether directly due to covid or not. In addition to the deaths we've counted from covid, there may be uncounted covid deaths, as well as deaths that happened because the hospitals were full, or people were avoiding going to the hospital, or because we've got an increase in drug & alcohol use during lockdowns.
- orwin 5y ago
  > an increase in drug & alcohol use during lockdowns The first wing to have been changed into a Covid wing in Colmar (First French hotspot for covid, pre-lockdown) was the addictology (don't know if its an english word) service, since it had with a lot of beds, small ventilators and IVs. My cousin's wife told me that most of her "regular" patients disappeared, whether they were in remission or not, and either students/young workers did not had alcohol poisoning anymore, or they stopped calling the hospital. On the other hand, while they were a lot of death, some functioning addicts (again, is this understandable for English people?) stopped consuming during of lockdown. So i guess a mixed bag.

I thought we were over counting, not under... https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-phe-accused-exaggerating-deaths-093838013.html https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-phe-accused-exaggerati...

sterlind 5y ago

if 'we' means Public Health England, then you're correct. but other countries aren't reporting that way.

josephcsible 5y ago

Excess deaths includes both deaths due to COVID itself and deaths due to society's response to it. We overcounted the former, but the presence of the latter more than makes up for that.

eplanit 5y ago

Twain's observation is timeless: Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

magneticnorth 5y ago

The article you linked seems to be about the UK, specifically, and the reason to suspect over-counting of covid deaths in the UK is based on covid death comparisons with nearby countries. The economist study is global, and is counting excess deaths during the pandemic, whether directly due to covid or not. In addition to the deaths we've counted from covid, there may be uncounted covid deaths, as well as deaths that happened because the hospitals were full, or people were avoiding going to the hospital, or because we've got an increase in drug & alcohol use during lockdowns.

orwin 5y ago
> an increase in drug & alcohol use during lockdowns The first wing to have been changed into a Covid wing in Colmar (First French hotspot for covid, pre-lockdown) was the addictology (don't know if its an english word) service, since it had with a lot of beds, small ventilators and IVs. My cousin's wife told me that most of her "regular" patients disappeared, whether they were in remission or not, and either students/young workers did not had alcohol poisoning anymore, or they stopped calling the hospital. On the other hand, while they were a lot of death, some functioning addicts (again, is this understandable for English people?) stopped consuming during of lockdown. So i guess a mixed bag.