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apologies. I meant travelers from other states, but my point still stands - it's a temporary measure that impacts only a small set of people who travel from ano

apologies. I meant travelers from other states, but my point still stands - it's a temporary measure that impacts only a small set of people who travel from another state, who would ordinarily be in dedicated quarantine facility Instead they are being allow to quarantine from the comfort of their home, and if they choose to do so they have to use an app to prove they are staying at home, but again this is only for the short duration of their quarantine period. You are scare mongering and trying to make this something that it isn't - it isn't being forced on large numbers of people, let alone the entire state. It's not intended to be used by people not in quarantine, and for those are in quarantine, they only need it _whislst they are still in quarantine_

chitowneats 5y ago
Even with your clarification it's terrifying.
- davesmylie 5y ago
  personally given the option between spending 14 days in a fully catered quarantine hotel room, versus spending 14 days in the comfort of my own house with a big backyard, my home office, my workshop and music instruments etc, with only the caveat being I'd have to check-in on a mobile app once a day - it's just not even a choice and I struggle to see how any one would chose a the former as a preferable option. However, if your outrage is actually about a states right to enforce a quarantine on potentially infected incoming travellers during a pandemic fullstop .... well my friend, that's a ship that has long since sailed - literally hundreds of years ago.
  - chitowneats 5y ago
    It's the digital infrastructure you now have in place that is terrifying. If you don't understand how, once these tools are built, they will be abused, I don't know what to tell you, my friend. And yes requiring 14 day mandatory quarantine for interstate travel is insane. The virus is endemic. You all in Australia are struggling in futility against one of the strongest forces of nature, its virome. Most of the rest of the Western world is looking on in horror. Even writers at The Atlantic. Best of luck, though. Sincerely.
    - davesmylie 5y ago
      > It's the digital infrastructure you now have in place that is terrifying. If you don't understand how, once these tools are built, they will be abused, I don't know what to tell you, my friend. I can almost guarantee the infrastructure this is running on is USA owned AWS. > You all in Australia are struggling in futility against one of the strongest forces of nature. Well actually, most of the states in oz have delta either under control/trending down towards elimination again, or in the case of tazzy, totally eliminated. It's only NSW that's struggling (which co-incidentally is the state giving people the option of quarantining at home with the use of this app). Personally, I'm from over the ditch in NZ. Our delta cases peaked at 84 a week or so back, down towards 28 today after two weeks of a pretty relaxed lockdown. Most of NZ is now out of the hard lockdown, and probably should be back to normal in another couple of weeks. I'm looking forward to yet another covid free summer, with no worries about masks, crowded sports stadiums and camp grounds or me/anyone I know personally getting the virus. Yup, we're bound to catch it eventually I'm sure, but I'm looking forward to getting it much later when we have better treatments that don't involve horse worming medication. Treatment/mitigation is much better now than it was 18 months ago, and I'm sure in a year or so, it will be better still.
      - nl 5y ago
        > It's only NSW that's struggling (which co-incidentally is the state giving people the option of quarantining at home with the use of this app). Actually it is South Australia, which is COVID free.
      - hilbert42 5y ago
        "It's only NSW that's struggling..." Right! And make sure you do everything possible to keep us out until it's safe. Don't let your politicians do stupid deals with ours that would make things worse for you/NZ (love the place). Yours I'm not sure about but ours are as slimy as they come.
        Taniwha 5y ago
        well we already did - our current outbreak came from Sydney
  - zajio1am 5y ago
    > personally given the option between spending 14 days in a fully catered quarantine hotel room, versus spending 14 days in the comfort of my own house with a big backyard, my home office, my workshop and music instruments etc, with only the caveat being I'd have to check-in on a mobile app once a day That is false dilemma. In free society law-abiding citizens are trusted to observe the law even without persistent surveillance. We also do not carry persistent surveillance tool to control whether we do not steal or assault, so why not handle quarantine the same way?
    - nl 5y ago
      > We also do not carry persistent surveillance tool to control whether we do not steal or assault, so why not handle quarantine the same way? That's an easy answer. Consequences. When one single person not following the rules can force the entire state into a lockdown (as was the cause in NSW) the trade off makes a lot of sense.
    - actually_a_dog 5y ago
      > That is false dilemma. In free society law-abiding citizens are trusted to observe the law even without persistent surveillance. That's the problem. People are not obeying the law.
      - perryizgr8 5y ago
        Then catch those people and prosecute them. Why harass innocent people?
        actually_a_dog 5y ago
        How exactly do you propose to do that?
        perryizgr8 5y ago
        Isn't that the entire job of the police? Are they unable to do their job suddenly?
  - verygoodname 5y ago
    > it's just not even a choice and I struggle to see how any one would chose a the former as a preferable option. What if you do not possess a smartphone? What choice do you have, then? Are you just forced into hotel quarantine or do they lend you a smartphone? (Genuine question.)
    - NamTaf 5y ago
      I'm guessing, but they will probably do police visits periodically as they do with existing home quarantine (i.e. if you're a close contact of a case).
    - himinlomax 5y ago
      If you have the means to travel far enough to be subjected to quarantine, you have the means to spend $100 on a phone.
      - RalfWausE 5y ago
        You may have the MEANS... but is a smartphone MANDATORY? I have the means to travel abroad, no problem, but never in my mind i would voluntarily own a smartphone.
        danielheath 5y ago
        No, it's not mandatory. You can quarantine in a hotel.
        RalfWausE 5y ago
        Then i would prefer the hotel... visible chains are better than invisible ones.
        danielheath 5y ago
        Sure. Hotel quarantine is the default. If you prefer, you are also able to use the app and stay home.
  - mns 5y ago
    Yes, I'm sure that everyone is able to afford the luxury of a big backyard, a home office, a workshop and music instruments. As a person that had to stay in quarantine for going back home for the last weeks of my mothers life due terminal cancer, I had to stay 10 days locked in my home, even having countless tests, not even knowing if she would be alive and being told that they can make an exception for the funeral - so kind of them. We were treated like some sub-human criminals by the police, being called and checked (some friends who had their daughters coming from university back home had to come to the window every morning, all 4 members of the family to get "counted" by a police officer). What's funny is that 1 year before the pandemic my house was broken into, never heard back from the police, but it's good to see that they are doing their job in checking up on us, the virus criminals.
  - nevermindiguess 5y ago
    Even house arrest is from the comfort of your home.
lenkite 5y ago
> it's a temporary measure What is the span of temporary here ?

chitowneats 5y ago

Even with your clarification it's terrifying.

davesmylie 5y ago
personally given the option between spending 14 days in a fully catered quarantine hotel room, versus spending 14 days in the comfort of my own house with a big backyard, my home office, my workshop and music instruments etc, with only the caveat being I'd have to check-in on a mobile app once a day - it's just not even a choice and I struggle to see how any one would chose a the former as a preferable option. However, if your outrage is actually about a states right to enforce a quarantine on potentially infected incoming travellers during a pandemic fullstop .... well my friend, that's a ship that has long since sailed - literally hundreds of years ago.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  It's the digital infrastructure you now have in place that is terrifying. If you don't understand how, once these tools are built, they will be abused, I don't know what to tell you, my friend. And yes requiring 14 day mandatory quarantine for interstate travel is insane. The virus is endemic. You all in Australia are struggling in futility against one of the strongest forces of nature, its virome. Most of the rest of the Western world is looking on in horror. Even writers at The Atlantic. Best of luck, though. Sincerely.
  - davesmylie 5y ago
    > It's the digital infrastructure you now have in place that is terrifying. If you don't understand how, once these tools are built, they will be abused, I don't know what to tell you, my friend. I can almost guarantee the infrastructure this is running on is USA owned AWS. > You all in Australia are struggling in futility against one of the strongest forces of nature. Well actually, most of the states in oz have delta either under control/trending down towards elimination again, or in the case of tazzy, totally eliminated. It's only NSW that's struggling (which co-incidentally is the state giving people the option of quarantining at home with the use of this app). Personally, I'm from over the ditch in NZ. Our delta cases peaked at 84 a week or so back, down towards 28 today after two weeks of a pretty relaxed lockdown. Most of NZ is now out of the hard lockdown, and probably should be back to normal in another couple of weeks. I'm looking forward to yet another covid free summer, with no worries about masks, crowded sports stadiums and camp grounds or me/anyone I know personally getting the virus. Yup, we're bound to catch it eventually I'm sure, but I'm looking forward to getting it much later when we have better treatments that don't involve horse worming medication. Treatment/mitigation is much better now than it was 18 months ago, and I'm sure in a year or so, it will be better still.
    - nl 5y ago
      > It's only NSW that's struggling (which co-incidentally is the state giving people the option of quarantining at home with the use of this app). Actually it is South Australia, which is COVID free.
    - hilbert42 5y ago
      "It's only NSW that's struggling..." Right! And make sure you do everything possible to keep us out until it's safe. Don't let your politicians do stupid deals with ours that would make things worse for you/NZ (love the place). Yours I'm not sure about but ours are as slimy as they come.
      - Taniwha 5y ago
        well we already did - our current outbreak came from Sydney
- zajio1am 5y ago
  > personally given the option between spending 14 days in a fully catered quarantine hotel room, versus spending 14 days in the comfort of my own house with a big backyard, my home office, my workshop and music instruments etc, with only the caveat being I'd have to check-in on a mobile app once a day That is false dilemma. In free society law-abiding citizens are trusted to observe the law even without persistent surveillance. We also do not carry persistent surveillance tool to control whether we do not steal or assault, so why not handle quarantine the same way?
  - nl 5y ago
    > We also do not carry persistent surveillance tool to control whether we do not steal or assault, so why not handle quarantine the same way? That's an easy answer. Consequences. When one single person not following the rules can force the entire state into a lockdown (as was the cause in NSW) the trade off makes a lot of sense.
  - actually_a_dog 5y ago
    > That is false dilemma. In free society law-abiding citizens are trusted to observe the law even without persistent surveillance. That's the problem. People are not obeying the law.
    - perryizgr8 5y ago
      Then catch those people and prosecute them. Why harass innocent people?
      - actually_a_dog 5y ago
        How exactly do you propose to do that?
        perryizgr8 5y ago
        Isn't that the entire job of the police? Are they unable to do their job suddenly?
- verygoodname 5y ago
  > it's just not even a choice and I struggle to see how any one would chose a the former as a preferable option. What if you do not possess a smartphone? What choice do you have, then? Are you just forced into hotel quarantine or do they lend you a smartphone? (Genuine question.)
  - NamTaf 5y ago
    I'm guessing, but they will probably do police visits periodically as they do with existing home quarantine (i.e. if you're a close contact of a case).
  - himinlomax 5y ago
    If you have the means to travel far enough to be subjected to quarantine, you have the means to spend $100 on a phone.
    - RalfWausE 5y ago
      You may have the MEANS... but is a smartphone MANDATORY? I have the means to travel abroad, no problem, but never in my mind i would voluntarily own a smartphone.
      - danielheath 5y ago
        No, it's not mandatory. You can quarantine in a hotel.
        RalfWausE 5y ago
        Then i would prefer the hotel... visible chains are better than invisible ones.
        danielheath 5y ago
        Sure. Hotel quarantine is the default. If you prefer, you are also able to use the app and stay home.
- mns 5y ago
  Yes, I'm sure that everyone is able to afford the luxury of a big backyard, a home office, a workshop and music instruments. As a person that had to stay in quarantine for going back home for the last weeks of my mothers life due terminal cancer, I had to stay 10 days locked in my home, even having countless tests, not even knowing if she would be alive and being told that they can make an exception for the funeral - so kind of them. We were treated like some sub-human criminals by the police, being called and checked (some friends who had their daughters coming from university back home had to come to the window every morning, all 4 members of the family to get "counted" by a police officer). What's funny is that 1 year before the pandemic my house was broken into, never heard back from the police, but it's good to see that they are doing their job in checking up on us, the virus criminals.
- nevermindiguess 5y ago
  Even house arrest is from the comfort of your home.

lenkite 5y ago

> it's a temporary measure What is the span of temporary here ?