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See also: Every flame war in the history of the Internet.

fsckboy 5y ago
see also, HN, where "the system" that keeps discussion civil focuses entirely on silencing any even slight negatives, and scant attention is paid to the hypersensitivities of the numerous offendees
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  Oh yeah? Well your face focuses entirely on silencing any even slight negatives! Ha, got 'em!
- dang 5y ago
  That's a misperception of the strategy, which isn't about keeping discussion "civil" (we stopped using that word years ago), let alone protecting oversensitive feelings, but rather about staving off the default tendency for internet discussion to turn into lame repetitive shit. We just want an internet forum that stays interesting instead of burning itself to the ground. Scorched earth is not interesting (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20scorched%20earth&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...). If you know a better way to do that, I'm all ears. It might be good to first read some past explanations about why the rules are the way they are, so as not to repeat arguments that have already been answered. This subthread gives a worked, detailed example (but it's long): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27161447 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27161447. A few other past explanations: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26157447 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26157447 (Feb 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22805993 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22805993 (April 2020)
  - GeoAtreides 5y ago
    > If you know a better way to do that, I'm all ears. on /r9k if your message isn't sufficiently unique (judged by bot), it gets deleted and you get a small ban. if you continue, the ban duration increases.
    - dang 5y ago
      The kind of repetition I'm talking about probably can't be detected by bots, but I'd be delighted to be proven wrong about that. The data is all public so anyone can try!
  - fsckboy 5y ago
    you were triggered because I mentioned HN and your closeness to HN moderation blinded you to the value of the comment I made. The article we are discussing is very well summarized by its title, "'Negative intensification bias' and unintended meaning", i.e. I was "on topic". You are dismissing my comment on a tangent about HN without considering whether the ideas of the article offer any fresh insights that would suggest some alternate goals for managing discussions in general, and whether they apply to HN. and my comment is being treated with negative intensification bias in reaction to unintended meaning! QED

see also, HN, where "the system" that keeps discussion civil focuses entirely on silencing any even slight negatives, and scant attention is paid to the hypersensitivities of the numerous offendees

dane-pgp 5y ago
Oh yeah? Well your face focuses entirely on silencing any even slight negatives! Ha, got 'em!
dang 5y ago
That's a misperception of the strategy, which isn't about keeping discussion "civil" (we stopped using that word years ago), let alone protecting oversensitive feelings, but rather about staving off the default tendency for internet discussion to turn into lame repetitive shit. We just want an internet forum that stays interesting instead of burning itself to the ground. Scorched earth is not interesting (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20scorched%20earth&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...). If you know a better way to do that, I'm all ears. It might be good to first read some past explanations about why the rules are the way they are, so as not to repeat arguments that have already been answered. This subthread gives a worked, detailed example (but it's long): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27161447 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27161447. A few other past explanations: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26157447 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26157447 (Feb 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22805993 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22805993 (April 2020)
- GeoAtreides 5y ago
  > If you know a better way to do that, I'm all ears. on /r9k if your message isn't sufficiently unique (judged by bot), it gets deleted and you get a small ban. if you continue, the ban duration increases.
  - dang 5y ago
    The kind of repetition I'm talking about probably can't be detected by bots, but I'd be delighted to be proven wrong about that. The data is all public so anyone can try!
- fsckboy 5y ago
  you were triggered because I mentioned HN and your closeness to HN moderation blinded you to the value of the comment I made. The article we are discussing is very well summarized by its title, "'Negative intensification bias' and unintended meaning", i.e. I was "on topic". You are dismissing my comment on a tangent about HN without considering whether the ideas of the article offer any fresh insights that would suggest some alternate goals for managing discussions in general, and whether they apply to HN. and my comment is being treated with negative intensification bias in reaction to unintended meaning! QED