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You are being deliberately (maliciously?) misleading and scare mongering here. This only applies to specific people in home quarantine and only for a short per

You are being deliberately (maliciously?) misleading and scare mongering here. This only applies to specific people in home quarantine and only for a short period of time - 14 days. i.e people that have returned to the country from overseas that would normally be in quarantine in a government facility for that same period. People now have the option of quarantining at home, and if they choose to do so, have to show that they are quarantining at home rather than saying they will, and then heading off into town and infecting others. (As many people have done). You are trying to portray this as something being forced on all citizens, indefinitely when that couldn't be further from reality.

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nanis 5y ago
> You are being deliberately (maliciously?) misleading and scare mongering here. ... > people that have returned to the country I do not know who's being deliberately misleading here. Please note[1]: > It will start this week for people returning from New South Wales and Victoria. > People wanting to return to South Australia and home quarantine will have to apply to SA Health. So this is clearly applicable to Australian citizens within Australia. Citizens of Australia are not allowed to move freely within Australia. Before an Australian citizen can travel from one part of Australia to another part of Australia, they have to ask the government to allow them to do so. They must accede to the points I listed. After that the government will expand the program to international travelers. Once a populace accepts that they are not allowed travel and that the government can arbitrarily place people under house arrest and subject to torture (and knowledge of random intrusions into your life can happen at any time - even during a long, relaxing shower or something is psychological torture), there isn't much that will stop people with the power from expanding their control. [1]: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/how-will-south-australias-home-quarantine-trial-work/100398878 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/how-will-south-austra...
- closeparen 5y ago
  Sanitation is one of the most basic premises of civilization. Better question is how a government could claim any legitimacy while allowing infectious diseases to freely circulate.
  - nanis 5y ago
    I see, so you are claiming that governments in Australia have always dealt with infectious diseases using oppression? Specifically, I am wondering whether similar methods were used to deal with the following[1]: > #How common are notifiable infectious diseases? > More than 593,000 cases of notifiable diseases were reported to the NNDSS in 2019. Four infectious diseases accounted for 82% of these notifications to Australian health authorities in 2019: > * influenza—more than 313,000 notifications > * chlamydia—almost 103,000 notifications > * campylobacter (a gastrointestinal infection)—almost 36,000 notifications > * gonorrhoea—more than 34,000 notifications. [1]: https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-health/infectious-and-communicable-diseases https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-health/infectious...
    - closeparen 5y ago
      The word quarantine literally refers to the 40 days a new arrival would be required to spend aboard his ship before disembarking, as early as the 14th century [0]. In Australia, the practice dates to at least the 1830s [1]. Public health gets involved in notifying the partners of STD index cases, with varying degrees of coercion. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine [1] https://theconversation.com/why-are-australians-so-accepting-of-hotel-quarantine-a-long-history-of-confining-threats-to-the-state-155747 https://theconversation.com/why-are-australians-so-accepting...
      - uchiga 5y ago
        This terrifies me.
    - nl 5y ago
dfee 5y ago
Reading up and down the chain of comments and seeing your responses, I want to point out that your perspective alarms me, greatly. There is no room for debate or testing how deep your beliefs are, because you’ve been clear on your position - so from a communication perspective you’re good. From a perspective of self-determinism, I think you’re my antithesis.
dgellow 5y ago
Isn't that exactly what a slippery slope is? Why should it matter if it is only for a small group of people and not all citizens? It's the most insane measure I've seen regarding the pandemics that isn't in China. Even if you would do this for only 1 person, why should that be accepted? Other countries are dealing well with the pandemics without that kind of Orwellian process. At this point I cannot imagine what can make Australians realize that you cannot isolate from a global pandemics in a hyper-connected world, and the only thing you get from a zero covid approach are the first stones for a surveillance state.
bendy303 5y ago
you are ommiting one of the main points - facial recognition being used to check you at any given time. This is pretty dystopian wouldn't you say? all for a miniscule number of cases.

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nanis 5y ago

> You are being deliberately (maliciously?) misleading and scare mongering here. ... > people that have returned to the country I do not know who's being deliberately misleading here. Please note[1]: > It will start this week for people returning from New South Wales and Victoria. > People wanting to return to South Australia and home quarantine will have to apply to SA Health. So this is clearly applicable to Australian citizens within Australia. Citizens of Australia are not allowed to move freely within Australia. Before an Australian citizen can travel from one part of Australia to another part of Australia, they have to ask the government to allow them to do so. They must accede to the points I listed. After that the government will expand the program to international travelers. Once a populace accepts that they are not allowed travel and that the government can arbitrarily place people under house arrest and subject to torture (and knowledge of random intrusions into your life can happen at any time - even during a long, relaxing shower or something is psychological torture), there isn't much that will stop people with the power from expanding their control. [1]: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/how-will-south-australias-home-quarantine-trial-work/100398878 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/how-will-south-austra...

closeparen 5y ago
Sanitation is one of the most basic premises of civilization. Better question is how a government could claim any legitimacy while allowing infectious diseases to freely circulate.
- nanis 5y ago
  I see, so you are claiming that governments in Australia have always dealt with infectious diseases using oppression? Specifically, I am wondering whether similar methods were used to deal with the following[1]: > #How common are notifiable infectious diseases? > More than 593,000 cases of notifiable diseases were reported to the NNDSS in 2019. Four infectious diseases accounted for 82% of these notifications to Australian health authorities in 2019: > * influenza—more than 313,000 notifications > * chlamydia—almost 103,000 notifications > * campylobacter (a gastrointestinal infection)—almost 36,000 notifications > * gonorrhoea—more than 34,000 notifications. [1]: https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-health/infectious-and-communicable-diseases https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-health/infectious...
  - closeparen 5y ago
    The word quarantine literally refers to the 40 days a new arrival would be required to spend aboard his ship before disembarking, as early as the 14th century [0]. In Australia, the practice dates to at least the 1830s [1]. Public health gets involved in notifying the partners of STD index cases, with varying degrees of coercion. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine [1] https://theconversation.com/why-are-australians-so-accepting-of-hotel-quarantine-a-long-history-of-confining-threats-to-the-state-155747 https://theconversation.com/why-are-australians-so-accepting...
    - uchiga 5y ago
      This terrifies me.
  - nl 5y ago

dfee 5y ago

Reading up and down the chain of comments and seeing your responses, I want to point out that your perspective alarms me, greatly. There is no room for debate or testing how deep your beliefs are, because you’ve been clear on your position - so from a communication perspective you’re good. From a perspective of self-determinism, I think you’re my antithesis.

dgellow 5y ago

Isn't that exactly what a slippery slope is? Why should it matter if it is only for a small group of people and not all citizens? It's the most insane measure I've seen regarding the pandemics that isn't in China. Even if you would do this for only 1 person, why should that be accepted? Other countries are dealing well with the pandemics without that kind of Orwellian process. At this point I cannot imagine what can make Australians realize that you cannot isolate from a global pandemics in a hyper-connected world, and the only thing you get from a zero covid approach are the first stones for a surveillance state.

bendy303 5y ago

you are ommiting one of the main points - facial recognition being used to check you at any given time. This is pretty dystopian wouldn't you say? all for a miniscule number of cases.