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What is going on with Australia? Are they just generally giving up on liberal democracy and the idea of individual rights?

justbored123 5y ago
> democracy and the idea of individual rights lol, you need to lean about the history of minorities in Australia starting with the indigenous people and how they were treated. Same thing with their relations with all their small neighbors and with "undesirable" immigrants. This is a great place to start: https://www.youtube.com/user/thejuicemedia https://www.youtube.com/user/thejuicemedia There is nothing new to this in Australia's culture, is was just aimed at the weak and vulnerable, but as the famous quote by Tucidides goes: "The tyranny Athens imposed on others it finally imposed on itself."
- mettamage 5y ago
  Yea it was really awful, got a few lectures on it during my psychology bachelor. I was horrified when I heard what they did. The people who've enacted these policies should be behind bars IMO. You can't displace children from their families because of "cultural integration" reasons.
- salt-thrower 5y ago
  That is a great quote, but it's misattributed. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thucydides#Misattributed https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thucydides#Misattributed
swayvil 5y ago
In a nutshell, yes. But it's for our own health. For the public welfare. In this time of pandemic crisis strong measures are called for. /S
- goatcode 5y ago
  Never let a good crisis go to waste.
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  You tagged it with a sarcasm tag, but I think your summary is basically what people are feeling in the large, both in Australia and America. Perhaps people are seeing that, on the one hand, large-scale problems (global warming, global pandemics, global economic boom-and-bust cycles, etc.) are having real consequences for individuals, and on the other hand, they cannot be resolved by simple independent action (because if they could, we'd be seeing trends of improvement, not worsening). There's a crisis of faith in the reasoning capacity of the common individual. People have traditionally turned to institutional power when individuals seem less trustworthy.
  - zpeti 5y ago
    That reasoning is interesting because I know most people think it’s true, yet actually governments almost everywhere have progressively gotten larger and more powerful over the last 100 years. Yet these “global issues” are getting worse. To me it doesn’t seem obvious larger government is the solution. Of course that’s what most governments and media close to governments want you to believe.
  - Nursie 5y ago
    > There's a crisis of faith in the reasoning capacity of the common individual. I don’t think that crisis of faith is unwarranted, given the reaction large swathes of people have had to public health measures like vaccination, plus political misinformation and straight out bullshit like Q. The average everyday man is a moron.
    - swayvil 5y ago
      But what if you're wrong? An idea. Popular. Backed by compelling arguments. Agreed upon by all the smart people. Broadcast from all the right news channels. Yet still totally wrong and utterly fucked. It's happened before and it'll happen again. Best to leave us our right to choose.
      - Nursie 5y ago
        Did I say you should take that away? No, I said it’s not wrong to lose faith in the reasoning capacity of the common individual. Right now we have people hospitalising themselves eating horse pharmaceuticals, all the while congratulating themselves on how smart they are for doing their own “research”. It’s pitiable.
- Zak 5y ago
  What's weird is this pattern has been going on in Australia for a couple decades (at least) and there doesn't seem to be a major crisis driving it most of the time.
- Ambolia 5y ago
  A crisis that was caused by the US government doing cheap "gain of function" virology research in Wuhan. The solution? More power for the government.
  - adventured 5y ago
    > A crisis that was caused by the US government doing cheap "gain of function" virology research in Wuhan. China was performing the research, not the US. Which was precisely the problem. China's lab incompetence (which was documented prior to the pandemic) may have released the virus. The US apparently provided a very modest amount of funding to the lab in Wuhan toward gain of function research.
hammock 5y ago
Proximity to China

justbored123 5y ago

> democracy and the idea of individual rights lol, you need to lean about the history of minorities in Australia starting with the indigenous people and how they were treated. Same thing with their relations with all their small neighbors and with "undesirable" immigrants. This is a great place to start: https://www.youtube.com/user/thejuicemedia https://www.youtube.com/user/thejuicemedia There is nothing new to this in Australia's culture, is was just aimed at the weak and vulnerable, but as the famous quote by Tucidides goes: "The tyranny Athens imposed on others it finally imposed on itself."

mettamage 5y ago
Yea it was really awful, got a few lectures on it during my psychology bachelor. I was horrified when I heard what they did. The people who've enacted these policies should be behind bars IMO. You can't displace children from their families because of "cultural integration" reasons.
salt-thrower 5y ago
That is a great quote, but it's misattributed. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thucydides#Misattributed https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thucydides#Misattributed

swayvil 5y ago

In a nutshell, yes. But it's for our own health. For the public welfare. In this time of pandemic crisis strong measures are called for. /S

goatcode 5y ago
Never let a good crisis go to waste.
shadowgovt 5y ago
You tagged it with a sarcasm tag, but I think your summary is basically what people are feeling in the large, both in Australia and America. Perhaps people are seeing that, on the one hand, large-scale problems (global warming, global pandemics, global economic boom-and-bust cycles, etc.) are having real consequences for individuals, and on the other hand, they cannot be resolved by simple independent action (because if they could, we'd be seeing trends of improvement, not worsening). There's a crisis of faith in the reasoning capacity of the common individual. People have traditionally turned to institutional power when individuals seem less trustworthy.
- zpeti 5y ago
  That reasoning is interesting because I know most people think it’s true, yet actually governments almost everywhere have progressively gotten larger and more powerful over the last 100 years. Yet these “global issues” are getting worse. To me it doesn’t seem obvious larger government is the solution. Of course that’s what most governments and media close to governments want you to believe.
- Nursie 5y ago
  > There's a crisis of faith in the reasoning capacity of the common individual. I don’t think that crisis of faith is unwarranted, given the reaction large swathes of people have had to public health measures like vaccination, plus political misinformation and straight out bullshit like Q. The average everyday man is a moron.
  - swayvil 5y ago
    But what if you're wrong? An idea. Popular. Backed by compelling arguments. Agreed upon by all the smart people. Broadcast from all the right news channels. Yet still totally wrong and utterly fucked. It's happened before and it'll happen again. Best to leave us our right to choose.
    - Nursie 5y ago
      Did I say you should take that away? No, I said it’s not wrong to lose faith in the reasoning capacity of the common individual. Right now we have people hospitalising themselves eating horse pharmaceuticals, all the while congratulating themselves on how smart they are for doing their own “research”. It’s pitiable.
Zak 5y ago
What's weird is this pattern has been going on in Australia for a couple decades (at least) and there doesn't seem to be a major crisis driving it most of the time.
Ambolia 5y ago
A crisis that was caused by the US government doing cheap "gain of function" virology research in Wuhan. The solution? More power for the government.
- adventured 5y ago
  > A crisis that was caused by the US government doing cheap "gain of function" virology research in Wuhan. China was performing the research, not the US. Which was precisely the problem. China's lab incompetence (which was documented prior to the pandemic) may have released the virus. The US apparently provided a very modest amount of funding to the lab in Wuhan toward gain of function research.

hammock 5y ago

Proximity to China