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It seems like podman machine is deprecated: https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/replace-docker-podman-macos https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/replace-docker-podman-ma

by b3n4kh 5y ago

It seems like podman machine is deprecated: https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/replace-docker-podman-macos https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/replace-docker-podman-macos

SEJeff 5y ago
This is from the guy that leads the container team at Redhat: https://twitter.com/rhatdan/status/1433003250991706114?s=21 https://twitter.com/rhatdan/status/1433003250991706114?s=21
- capableweb 5y ago
  Your comment gave me the impression that Daniel Walsh made some refutation against that podman-machine is being deprecated, but the Tweet you link to say no such thing, unless it's hidden in some sub-tweet (Twitters UX is horrible to discover things). Going straight to the source (https://github.com/boot2podman/machine https://github.com/boot2podman/machine), it says the following: > DEPRECATED (with huge letters) > Podman Machine is now deprecated. Users should try using Vagrant instead. So one can safely assume that podman-machine is in fact getting deprecated.
  - rjzzleep 5y ago
    What you linked to is podman-machine. podman machine is not the same. The former was probably deprecated because podman machine is now part of podman itself. https://github.com/containers/podman/tree/main/cmd/podman/machine https://github.com/containers/podman/tree/main/cmd/podman/ma...
  - SEJeff 5y ago
    I'm not sure if it was you that downvoted me, but you are mistaken. boot2podman/machine, what you linked, is not an official part of podman. It is a third party equivalent and not relevant. The official podman repository is https://github.com/containers/podman https://github.com/containers/podman, and the machine bits are integrated and part of podman proper: https://github.com/containers/podman/tree/main/cmd/podman/machine https://github.com/containers/podman/tree/main/cmd/podman/ma... If it was you that downvoted my comment, please consider not doing that because you disagree. The comment was factually correct and made in good faith. You're equating a third party deprecated podman-machine with the integrated into upstream podman machine. We were not referring to the same thing whatsoever. Hopefully this makes more sense to you now.
    - capableweb 5y ago
      Thanks for clarifying! My mistake in confusing the two, hopefully one can understand how another can make the mistake though as one is named "podman machine" and the other "podman machine". My main issue with your comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28391265 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28391265) still stands, you're linking a third-party source with the impression that that source said it's in fact not being deprecated, when there is no such text in that source. I did not downvote you, but I can absolutely understand why someone would do that, since the tweet seemingly has nothing to do with the comment your original comment was replying to. For what it's worth, complaining about downvotes is almost never worth it. Makes for boring reading and the people downvoting you won't read it anyways.
      - _joel 5y ago
        It's also in the documentation https://podman.io/getting-started/installation https://podman.io/getting-started/installation
      - voxic11 5y ago
        next your going to be complaining that its too easy to confuse docker-compose with docker compose :P
      - afbjorklund 5y ago
        I added some clarification (hopefully) to the README, it gets a bit confusing when terms like "Machine" and "CoreOS" get reused
      - Aeolun 5y ago
        > since the tweet seemingly has nothing to do with the comment your original comment was replying to Saying the lead developer is recommending using machine right after someone claims it’s deprecated seems relevant?
        afbjorklund 5y ago
        The comments were regarding two different projects, one is deprecated (old podman-machine) one is not (new podman machine)
  - gbraad 5y ago
    Boot2podman was a derived project from minishift and machine drivers. Was not maintained by the container team... but a community member. Podman machine as mentioned is a new integrated solution.
    - afbjorklund 5y ago
      I will "unlock" the deprecated boot2podman projects and add some more text about it to the README.
  - rhatdan 5y ago
    podman-machine was a project disconnected from Podman. The podman project recently added a new command to podman `machine`. The `podman machine` command downloads and runs VMs with the podman service enabled within them. It also configures the native podman to use ssh to connect to the podman within the VM to allow the allusion of native podman support on the host. This is the exact same thing that Docker desktop does. We will contact the podman-machine developers to update their website to point out that `podman machine` is the way to go, to get a VM running podman on your host system.
  - rhatdan 5y ago
    This is what the the podman-machine github says under the DEPRECATED section: ` DEPRECATED: Podman v3.3 now has a podman machine included, different from podman-machine This is a new feature based on QEMU and CoreOS, unlike the old one (described here) which is based on Docker Machine and Boot2Docker, as was available in Docker Toolbox... `
    - afbjorklund 5y ago
      I updated the README based on feedback from here... Once there is any documentation or blog post for the new podman machine feature, I will link directly to it
gbraad 5y ago
Podman-machine was an external project that was derived from minishift and some of the images I made to allow fedora and Podman to be used. This worked, but was mostly a one man project by a community member We have worked with the container team to introduce an actual solution, that also will hopefully soon introduce a new network stack. This we have been testing in CRC for some time. Note: team lead on CRC, previously minisbift. Work closely with the container team. Red Hat employee
- cpach 5y ago
  There’s so much container innovation going on that I get dizzy just by hearing about it. Lots of interesting projects popping up all over the map.
  - afbjorklund 5y ago
    Then you will be glad to hear that I was planning to continue the podman-machine project, but under a different name... https://boot2podman.github.io/2021/01/24/reboot-new-project.html https://boot2podman.github.io/2021/01/24/reboot-new-project....
    - scns 5y ago
      Was or are? Looks interesting, especially the runs from RAM aspect.
      - afbjorklund 5y ago
        It's a "work in progress", basically an updated version of the old projects that serve like a proof-of-concept if you can tolerate the old versions (docker 19.03 and podman 1.9.3) The runs from RAM is an integral part of the project, the new version will have better packaging - using squashfs mounts rather than copying them over to tmpfs like the old one did.

by b3n4kh 5y ago

It seems like podman machine is deprecated: https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/replace-docker-podman-macos https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/replace-docker-podman-macos

SEJeff 5y ago

This is from the guy that leads the container team at Redhat: https://twitter.com/rhatdan/status/1433003250991706114?s=21 https://twitter.com/rhatdan/status/1433003250991706114?s=21

capableweb 5y ago
Your comment gave me the impression that Daniel Walsh made some refutation against that podman-machine is being deprecated, but the Tweet you link to say no such thing, unless it's hidden in some sub-tweet (Twitters UX is horrible to discover things). Going straight to the source (https://github.com/boot2podman/machine https://github.com/boot2podman/machine), it says the following: > DEPRECATED (with huge letters) > Podman Machine is now deprecated. Users should try using Vagrant instead. So one can safely assume that podman-machine is in fact getting deprecated.
- rjzzleep 5y ago
  What you linked to is podman-machine. podman machine is not the same. The former was probably deprecated because podman machine is now part of podman itself. https://github.com/containers/podman/tree/main/cmd/podman/machine https://github.com/containers/podman/tree/main/cmd/podman/ma...
- SEJeff 5y ago
  I'm not sure if it was you that downvoted me, but you are mistaken. boot2podman/machine, what you linked, is not an official part of podman. It is a third party equivalent and not relevant. The official podman repository is https://github.com/containers/podman https://github.com/containers/podman, and the machine bits are integrated and part of podman proper: https://github.com/containers/podman/tree/main/cmd/podman/machine https://github.com/containers/podman/tree/main/cmd/podman/ma... If it was you that downvoted my comment, please consider not doing that because you disagree. The comment was factually correct and made in good faith. You're equating a third party deprecated podman-machine with the integrated into upstream podman machine. We were not referring to the same thing whatsoever. Hopefully this makes more sense to you now.
  - capableweb 5y ago
    Thanks for clarifying! My mistake in confusing the two, hopefully one can understand how another can make the mistake though as one is named "podman machine" and the other "podman machine". My main issue with your comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28391265 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28391265) still stands, you're linking a third-party source with the impression that that source said it's in fact not being deprecated, when there is no such text in that source. I did not downvote you, but I can absolutely understand why someone would do that, since the tweet seemingly has nothing to do with the comment your original comment was replying to. For what it's worth, complaining about downvotes is almost never worth it. Makes for boring reading and the people downvoting you won't read it anyways.
    - _joel 5y ago
      It's also in the documentation https://podman.io/getting-started/installation https://podman.io/getting-started/installation
    - voxic11 5y ago
      next your going to be complaining that its too easy to confuse docker-compose with docker compose :P
    - afbjorklund 5y ago
      I added some clarification (hopefully) to the README, it gets a bit confusing when terms like "Machine" and "CoreOS" get reused
    - Aeolun 5y ago
      > since the tweet seemingly has nothing to do with the comment your original comment was replying to Saying the lead developer is recommending using machine right after someone claims it’s deprecated seems relevant?
      - afbjorklund 5y ago
        The comments were regarding two different projects, one is deprecated (old podman-machine) one is not (new podman machine)
- gbraad 5y ago
  Boot2podman was a derived project from minishift and machine drivers. Was not maintained by the container team... but a community member. Podman machine as mentioned is a new integrated solution.
  - afbjorklund 5y ago
    I will "unlock" the deprecated boot2podman projects and add some more text about it to the README.
- rhatdan 5y ago
  podman-machine was a project disconnected from Podman. The podman project recently added a new command to podman `machine`. The `podman machine` command downloads and runs VMs with the podman service enabled within them. It also configures the native podman to use ssh to connect to the podman within the VM to allow the allusion of native podman support on the host. This is the exact same thing that Docker desktop does. We will contact the podman-machine developers to update their website to point out that `podman machine` is the way to go, to get a VM running podman on your host system.
- rhatdan 5y ago
  This is what the the podman-machine github says under the DEPRECATED section: ` DEPRECATED: Podman v3.3 now has a podman machine included, different from podman-machine This is a new feature based on QEMU and CoreOS, unlike the old one (described here) which is based on Docker Machine and Boot2Docker, as was available in Docker Toolbox... `
  - afbjorklund 5y ago
    I updated the README based on feedback from here... Once there is any documentation or blog post for the new podman machine feature, I will link directly to it

gbraad 5y ago

Podman-machine was an external project that was derived from minishift and some of the images I made to allow fedora and Podman to be used. This worked, but was mostly a one man project by a community member We have worked with the container team to introduce an actual solution, that also will hopefully soon introduce a new network stack. This we have been testing in CRC for some time. Note: team lead on CRC, previously minisbift. Work closely with the container team. Red Hat employee

cpach 5y ago
There’s so much container innovation going on that I get dizzy just by hearing about it. Lots of interesting projects popping up all over the map.
- afbjorklund 5y ago
  Then you will be glad to hear that I was planning to continue the podman-machine project, but under a different name... https://boot2podman.github.io/2021/01/24/reboot-new-project.html https://boot2podman.github.io/2021/01/24/reboot-new-project....
  - scns 5y ago
    Was or are? Looks interesting, especially the runs from RAM aspect.
    - afbjorklund 5y ago
      It's a "work in progress", basically an updated version of the old projects that serve like a proof-of-concept if you can tolerate the old versions (docker 19.03 and podman 1.9.3) The runs from RAM is an integral part of the project, the new version will have better packaging - using squashfs mounts rather than copying them over to tmpfs like the old one did.