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> At this point most of the people who are avoiding the vaccine have already gotten natural immunity I don't agree with this statement. However, I certainly th

by yosito 5y ago

> At this point most of the people who are avoiding the vaccine have already gotten natural immunity I don't agree with this statement. However, I certainly think there should be an exception to vaccines for people who have aquired natural immunity. In Hungary, if you have a documented recovery from infection, you are also granted an immunity card that can be used to exempt you from pandemic restrictions. I don't know how many other countries are using this approach. While I don't like the idea of any kind of mandatory medical treatment, there IS public health value in ensuring that everyone partaking in potential super spreading events is immune.

SiempreViernes 5y ago
Yeah, medical treatment of an individual against their will is problematic for sure, even if it is to protect themselves. But I see no problem with mandating vaccination or some other, equally strong, way of reducing transmission risk for participation in public events. In this case the individual is given a choice in how they help protect others. Some people call also the second instance "mandatory vaccination" and object to it on the basis of body autonomy, which honestly doesn't make much sense since the discussion is about how the right to participate can be restricted. And "you are more likely than others to make everyone else sick" is a pretty legitimate reason to restricts someone's right to attend.
- loceng 5y ago
  The whole pushback and anger caused is the wholly illogical singular condition of being vaccinated vs. being COVID recovered or even better option - even safer than vaccination is recent negative COVID test result - which would catch if vaccinated or unvaccinated had COVID and were likely to spread it. It's this nonsense that's rightfully instilling fear in people, and at least in Canada Justin Trudeau is pandering to and rallying an ideological mob by stirring up for unvaccinated - and keeping message very ideological without nuance or critical thinking to highlight such absurdities with a vaccine passport vs. doing a safer and more inclusive version say called a safety pass - which would 100% keep people safer.
MagnumOpus 5y ago
> if you have a documented recovery from infection, you are also granted an immunity card ... I don't know how many other countries are using this approach. I think most European countries do. I know for certain that the UK does[1] as well as Germany[2] and Austria[3]. [1] https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-pass/ https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-pas... [2] https://www.baden-wuerttemberg.de/en/service/aktuelle-infos-zu-corona/fragen-und-antworten-rund-um-corona/faq-nachweise-fuer-geimpfte-und-genesene-personen/ https://www.baden-wuerttemberg.de/en/service/aktuelle-infos-... [3] https://gruenerpass.gv.at/genesen/ https://gruenerpass.gv.at/genesen/
raxxorrax 5y ago
I think letting people decide for themselves is the better and easier option. Bureaucracy isn't needed. Since the vaccination doesn't help against spread, the argument is not true in my opinion.
- piva00 5y ago
  > Since the vaccination doesn't help against spread, the argument is not true in my opinion. Can you provide a source for this statement? As far as I know, even though not 100% effective against infections and virus shedding, the vaccines do help against spread so I'd like to know if I'm misinformed.

by yosito 5y ago

SiempreViernes 5y ago

Yeah, medical treatment of an individual against their will is problematic for sure, even if it is to protect themselves. But I see no problem with mandating vaccination or some other, equally strong, way of reducing transmission risk for participation in public events. In this case the individual is given a choice in how they help protect others. Some people call also the second instance "mandatory vaccination" and object to it on the basis of body autonomy, which honestly doesn't make much sense since the discussion is about how the right to participate can be restricted. And "you are more likely than others to make everyone else sick" is a pretty legitimate reason to restricts someone's right to attend.

loceng 5y ago
The whole pushback and anger caused is the wholly illogical singular condition of being vaccinated vs. being COVID recovered or even better option - even safer than vaccination is recent negative COVID test result - which would catch if vaccinated or unvaccinated had COVID and were likely to spread it. It's this nonsense that's rightfully instilling fear in people, and at least in Canada Justin Trudeau is pandering to and rallying an ideological mob by stirring up for unvaccinated - and keeping message very ideological without nuance or critical thinking to highlight such absurdities with a vaccine passport vs. doing a safer and more inclusive version say called a safety pass - which would 100% keep people safer.

MagnumOpus 5y ago

> if you have a documented recovery from infection, you are also granted an immunity card ... I don't know how many other countries are using this approach. I think most European countries do. I know for certain that the UK does[1] as well as Germany[2] and Austria[3]. [1] https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-pass/ https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-pas... [2] https://www.baden-wuerttemberg.de/en/service/aktuelle-infos-zu-corona/fragen-und-antworten-rund-um-corona/faq-nachweise-fuer-geimpfte-und-genesene-personen/ https://www.baden-wuerttemberg.de/en/service/aktuelle-infos-... [3] https://gruenerpass.gv.at/genesen/ https://gruenerpass.gv.at/genesen/

raxxorrax 5y ago

I think letting people decide for themselves is the better and easier option. Bureaucracy isn't needed. Since the vaccination doesn't help against spread, the argument is not true in my opinion.

piva00 5y ago
> Since the vaccination doesn't help against spread, the argument is not true in my opinion. Can you provide a source for this statement? As far as I know, even though not 100% effective against infections and virus shedding, the vaccines do help against spread so I'd like to know if I'm misinformed.