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seems a waste to do this with intel when the 5950X from AMD is sooo far ahead in both total performance and performance per watt.

dagw 5y ago
Granted the 5950X is a good $200 more expensive than the 11900k [1], but even the similarly priced 5900X has this Intel chip beat. For reference the very best score they managed to get on the Pov-ray benchmark, after all their extreme overclocking and carefully selecting the CPU/Motherboard combo was 6872. The 5900X scored 7472 out of the box and the 5950X scored 8869. Even more 'weird' is that the overclocked 11900k isn't even beating the score the last generations 10850k got out of the box. And that CPU can still be bought for $100 less than the 11900K [1] granted again, they almost certainly spent more than $200 on cooling, so that isn't that big a difference.
- aetherspawn 5y ago
  AMD might bench higher in multi-threaded benchmarks, but Intel dominates in single core benchmarks because of the smarter silicon and higher clock speeds. That makes them still faaaar more suitable to certain workloads... like Engineering, where most of the tools designed in MATLAB (ie Simulink) are still single threaded. I recently upgraded from an i7-10750 to an i9-11950 and the different is very noticeable IRL even though most of the cores sit around doing nothing all day!
  - DarkmSparks 5y ago
    If you only care about single core performance you dont need a flagship chip, you could buy an entire M1 system from Apple with the same single core performance for the price intel are charging just for the CPU.
    - dagw 5y ago
      you could buy an entire M1 system from Apple Unless you need a reasonable amounts of RAM, a decent graphics card, or to be able to run a large class of professional software. Plus if you check benchmarks you'll see that the 11900k still beats the M1 in several single thread benchmarks
      - DarkmSparks 5y ago
        If you cared about performance/benchmarks you'd switch to a multithreaded/parallel alternative and have the compute finish in 1/16th of the time on a 5950X. Matlab/simulink make pretty heavy use of multithreading: https://www.mathworks.com/discovery/matlab-multicore.html https://www.mathworks.com/discovery/matlab-multicore.html Even Excel runs its computations in parallel these days.
    - aetherspawn 5y ago
      All the toolchains I use (ie Simulink plugins) only support Windows unfortunately.
      - DarkmSparks 5y ago
        That must be torture. Hope it wasn't your idea to lock yourself in like that. You should try R, you'll probably find there are better versions written in that, probably even ones that support distributed compute.

dagw 5y ago

Granted the 5950X is a good $200 more expensive than the 11900k [1], but even the similarly priced 5900X has this Intel chip beat. For reference the very best score they managed to get on the Pov-ray benchmark, after all their extreme overclocking and carefully selecting the CPU/Motherboard combo was 6872. The 5900X scored 7472 out of the box and the 5950X scored 8869. Even more 'weird' is that the overclocked 11900k isn't even beating the score the last generations 10850k got out of the box. And that CPU can still be bought for $100 less than the 11900K [1] granted again, they almost certainly spent more than $200 on cooling, so that isn't that big a difference.

aetherspawn 5y ago
AMD might bench higher in multi-threaded benchmarks, but Intel dominates in single core benchmarks because of the smarter silicon and higher clock speeds. That makes them still faaaar more suitable to certain workloads... like Engineering, where most of the tools designed in MATLAB (ie Simulink) are still single threaded. I recently upgraded from an i7-10750 to an i9-11950 and the different is very noticeable IRL even though most of the cores sit around doing nothing all day!
- DarkmSparks 5y ago
  If you only care about single core performance you dont need a flagship chip, you could buy an entire M1 system from Apple with the same single core performance for the price intel are charging just for the CPU.
  - dagw 5y ago
    you could buy an entire M1 system from Apple Unless you need a reasonable amounts of RAM, a decent graphics card, or to be able to run a large class of professional software. Plus if you check benchmarks you'll see that the 11900k still beats the M1 in several single thread benchmarks
    - DarkmSparks 5y ago
      If you cared about performance/benchmarks you'd switch to a multithreaded/parallel alternative and have the compute finish in 1/16th of the time on a 5950X. Matlab/simulink make pretty heavy use of multithreading: https://www.mathworks.com/discovery/matlab-multicore.html https://www.mathworks.com/discovery/matlab-multicore.html Even Excel runs its computations in parallel these days.
  - aetherspawn 5y ago
    All the toolchains I use (ie Simulink plugins) only support Windows unfortunately.
    - DarkmSparks 5y ago
      That must be torture. Hope it wasn't your idea to lock yourself in like that. You should try R, you'll probably find there are better versions written in that, probably even ones that support distributed compute.