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There are other flaws too. Like pretending to bike to the spaceport on the day of, but it was actually filmed the week before and when called out, they said, o

by mc32 5y ago

There are other flaws too. Like pretending to bike to the spaceport on the day of, but it was actually filmed the week before and when called out, they said, oops, you're right, sorry! It's like when Guy Fiery in his hot rod. He pretends he rolls up to the place in his 70s hot rod, but actually it's just rolled out of the truck that lugs it around from location to location and he opens the door, sits, gets filmed getting out, shuts the door and it goes back up the ramp. It's all fakery.

dboreham 5y ago
Also those shows where they view three houses, then buy one, all in the same week : in reality the producers find someone who has just bought a house, then they make the show using that house and two other random houses, and lo and behold they find a house they like!
- amatecha 5y ago
  Oh dang, for real? That's super weak if true! Also, no wonder they have hundreds of episodes... I'd be curious if you have any links/etc. on the subject to share!
  - dylan604 5y ago
    It still amazes me that anyone still believes that the pictures they see on TV are in any way real. 100% of content on TV is fake. I used to say except the news, but now I'm not even able to trust that. If it's a commercial, definitely fake. If it's a TV show, 100% fake. Games shows shoot 5 episodes in a day, so when they say "last week's winner" it was last hour's.
    - bonestamp2 5y ago
      Talk Shows are the worst for this. Many of them have a rehearsal with the guests. It's no surprise that all of the guests have amazingly funny or interesting stories about every topic the host brings up. Once you know this is how they work, it's impossible to unsee it when you're watching them. I'm sorry I ruined talk shows for anyone here who may like them.
      - dylan604 5y ago
        Whether it is the preshow pre-interview or the post editing decisions, interviews are hard to trust as well now. I say this as someone that has been involved in all of it. However, the pre-interview is actually less about necessarily leading the interview but about helping the interview avoiding the dead air, blank stares, um, uhs, wells, type of stuff. Also, it is a great way to calm the nerves of those being interviewed if they are not normally in front of a camera which can be very intimidating to people telling a story they may already be nervous about. Trust me, you should be thankful for them. It's the post editing decisions that you can really get yourself into trouble. You can totally make a sane person sound insane, or totally change the interview. Anything that is not live must be questioned in how much you trust the producers to actually allow the interview to go out as it was rather than chopped up to fit the producer's agenda. If I was to be interviewed, I would make part of my conditions to the interview being that I would be allowed to have my own camera/audio that could record uninterrupted to be able to counter any shenanigans in the edit bay.
        bonestamp2 5y ago
        > Trust me, you should be thankful for them. Yes, I actually don't mind the pre-interview. It is a sensible thing to do for a variety of reasons. The thing that makes me cringe is more the late night talk shows (not all of them mind you) where the guest provides the questions to the host because they (or their PR people) have written some anecdotes for those questions/topics.
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        Except Graham Norton Show, due to the amazing host. They willingly admit (even during the show) that they discuss whether a topic is fine with the guest beforehand, but Graham still brings out the best in people. And since there are several people on the show, he just lets them interact, unscripted.
    - compsciphd 5y ago
      sports!
      - dylan604 5y ago
        yeah, you're right, sports have never been rigged <eyeroll> you might of well have responded with the one word reply of "Wrestling!"
        bob229 5y ago
        Grow up and take off the tinfoil hat
        sellyme 5y ago
        You literally said "100%".
        dylan604 5y ago
        You honestly believe that the NBA has never had officials go soft on calls for their star players, or not call the rules for how many steps without putting the ball on the floor, or the whole under the ball carrying or whatever the rules are they decide not to call? You think no officials of any sport did or didn't make a call because of some bet somewhere? You think a sports player didn't make a catch? You think sports players aren't using performance enhancing drugs so that you might be entertained while they get rewards? Some people just really want to believe that television is real. It's just not healthy to have this much faith in TV.
        sellyme 5y ago
        > You honestly believe that the NBA has never [...] I've never watched the NBA, so I'd have no idea. > You think no officials of any sport did or didn't make a call because of some bet somewhere? Just so you're aware, there are numbers between 0% and 100%.
        5y ago
    - vizzier 5y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBwepkVurCI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBwepkVurCI This was fun from a while back. Love some charlie brooker
  - flir 5y ago
    A quick google for "reality TV script writing courses" might help reset your reality.
  - throwawayForMe2 5y ago
    Here is an article from a paper local to me. https://shelterislandreporter.timesreview.com/2016/12/14/shelter-island-homecoming/ https://shelterislandreporter.timesreview.com/2016/12/14/she... “… The segment was shot in July and it documents Ms. Larsen traversing the Island with her friend and realtor Roxanne Briggs as they tour three Shelter Island homes on the market in the $650,000 to $850,000 range. Spoiler alert: Ms. Larsen actually bought her Longview home back in 2015, a full year before the show was taped, so the outcome was a foregone conclusion by the time the “Island Life” crew came to town…”
- walrus01 5y ago
  Wait until people hear about the person I know who was a contestant on "The Bachelor", who is in fact already happily married. Reality TV is fake? The ocean is wet! Sewage is smelly! and other shocking news, film at 11.
  - amatecha 5y ago
    Who was already married, the "bachelor" or the contestant trying to win his marriage? or both? lol
    - walrus01 5y ago
      I think it was the reverse-gender version of the show? With many male contenders and one woman. The person who is a friend-of-a-friend is a happily married man with two kids, but was "single" for the purpose of the show.
      - amatecha 5y ago
        Oohhh, "The Bachelorette" I guess. Yeah, doesn't surprise me...
- adamredwoods 5y ago
  https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/06/house-hunters-true-story-of-being-on-the-show.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/06/house-hunters-true-...
- adrr 5y ago
  I was on people court as one of the audience members that they interview after the case. I never saw the court case, they just grabbed random people off the street and gave them scenario of the case and asked for their opinion.
- IgorPartola 5y ago
  You mean the people who are like “I am an underwater basket weaver and my husband is a turtle dance instructor! Our budget is $800,000!”
  - smegger001 5y ago
    I hate those shows with a burning passion my wife cant get enough of them. I have however gotten her to watch "This Old House" which actually shows real remodeling and home repair as opposed to sledgehammer porn fallowed by contrived drama between the hosts finishing with a walk through of a staged house where they advertise tacky furniture and overpriced appliances.
    - thioordc 5y ago
      After watching a couple episodes I figured it was fake but it’s fun too see all the houses! Fun way of seeing what an area is like
dchest 5y ago
Biking to the spaceport was in the promotional video released a few days before the flight (where they announced "astronauts"), obviously it couldn't be filmed on the flight day.
- mc32 5y ago
  But on the day of the flight on the stage he went along pretending he’d biked there.
  - dchest 5y ago
    Hm, you're right: they even had a big "Earlier Today" label when they showed this piece live.
belter 5y ago
That was not the only fakery :-) At correct time: https://youtu.be/H6EbDCxotdg?t=488 https://youtu.be/H6EbDCxotdg?t=488
- noisy_boy 5y ago
  Thanks for sharing that - very enjoyable :)
Invictus0 5y ago
> It's like when Guy Fiery in his hot rod. Better than driving on a real road whilst talking to a camera off to the side, no? Every car scene in every movie and TV show is "fake" too, just so you know.
- anonAndOn 5y ago
  Steve McQueen wants you to hold his beer.[0] [0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJZ-BHBKyos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJZ-BHBKyos
  - mc32 5y ago
    That's an awesome chase. Of course it's one of the top chase scenes with the orig. Gone in 60 S. What I like a bout Bullit is it documents some of the city from the 60s. The freeways were new, the embarcadero freeway monstrosity is up and the chase skips from Bernal to The Marina and back to the San Bruno Mountains in minutes! It's also kind of realistic. The peelouts and tire burnouts are realistic even the explosion at the end are not too over the top. Today's chases are like Star Wars pyrotechnics, little of it remotely believable.
  - kwertyoowiyop 5y ago
    Apparently they had to do major repairs on the cars every night, because the jumps were so brutal. In one shot, you can see a large plume of oil appear as the car hits the ground and its oil pan is destroyed. :-O
    - anonAndOn 5y ago
      The Mustang was beat up & patched together and, yet, it still sold for $3.7M last year.[0] [0]https://bullitt.mecum.com/ https://bullitt.mecum.com/
- labster 5y ago
  Next you’re going to tell me that Smokey and the Bandit wasn’t a documentary? Such a deceitful world.
dimitrios1 5y ago
OK. That's it! I draw the line at Guy Fieri slander! That's not fakery. That's every classic car owner's dream. You get to show off the hot rod and not put miles on it. I am sure he does plenty of joyriding in that thing. Guy is anything but phony. He is actually one of thee more wholesome dudes on television ATM. We need more Guy Fieri's.
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- lastofthemojito 5y ago
  There have been so many seemingly respectable celebrities that we've gotten to know only to find out they're not really so great. I feel like Guy Fieri is the exact opposite - when I first saw him on TV I just knew this guy sucked. The car, the attitude, the hair - something just rubbed me the wrong way. But the more I've learned about him - his advocacy for gay marriage, his relief for restaurant workers during the pandemic, etc...I have to admit he seems like a good guy.
  - nemo44x 5y ago
    What if his market research found that his viewers have a positive association with gay marriage and with restaurant workers and they could increase ratings by x-percent by making a public statement on these issues? For example the Nike corporation. Some groups have heaped praise on them for supporting Kaepernick and related social justice protests. But was it altruism? Of course not. Their market research simply showed that their customers tended to feel passionately about that issue. So they did the math and calculated that the revenue they’d lose by taking a public position was more than made up for with what they’d lose, and better than if they’d remain neutral too - as their founder said “It doesn’t matter how many people hate your brand as long as enough people love it.”. Consider too that Nike now sells a majority of their product overseas to a very American-skeptic market. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/when-it-comes-to-colin-kaepernick-the-flag-and-nike-its-just-business-11562161561 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/when-i...
jfrunyon 5y ago
They didn't say "oops, you're right, sorry". They said they "regret the error", as though they didn't intend to mislead people. And it's not like Guy Fieri; as far as I'm aware, he doesn't generally pretend it's live.
drzaiusapelord 5y ago
I'm not sure if this comparison really works at all. Virgin risks real human lives every flight. Guy risks maybe a little weight gain for his fans. Shows aren't rocket launches and have little in common. Guy plays a sort of reality tv fictional persona which is a vamped up version of his own personality. His show is entertainment and not a documentary. Of course, he's not driving through the continental USA constantly to get to restaurants. He's a normal middle-aged man who needs rest and vacation and time off. He sleeps in decent hotels with his staff and they fly to their next destination. Workers deserve, at least, basic amenities and asking people to live a real life cartoony character is a bit silly. He's not hotrodding around everywhere (which would be risky to him and put a lot of miles on a classic car). His production is probably two dozen people. Its a business and should be respected as one from a worker's perspective. All 'reality' tv shows are heavily scripted. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
crooked-v 5y ago
The Guy Fieri comparison seems like a weird one, since the actual subject of the show (that is, the restaurants) isn't faked. The hot rod and whatever goofy stuff comes with Fieri's persona is just a framing device around the actual establishments.
- pessimizer 5y ago
  You don't think the bicycling, Branson's persona, and the speech where he mentioned the bicycling are just framing devices around an engineering team pulling off a passeneger spaceflight? I'd be surprised if he even came up with the idea. They probably had a speech written for him, he got busy (or just felt out of it) and didn't bicycle there as planned, so they found some footage to release so they wouldn't have to change the speech. It's identical. In this thread, Guy Fieri fans jump out to declare his persona actually true and good; on another message board, Branson fans are doing the same thing, explaining how he's nothing like Fieri.
JackFr 5y ago
In fairness I don’t think anyone really thinks that Guy Fieri drives from city to city, and the car is a little bit if flair, not really germane to the content of the show.
youngtaff 5y ago
Also why (fake) cycle to a rocket launch in an attempt to reinforce eco credentials when rocket launches are anything but environmentally friendly!

by mc32 5y ago

dboreham 5y ago

Also those shows where they view three houses, then buy one, all in the same week : in reality the producers find someone who has just bought a house, then they make the show using that house and two other random houses, and lo and behold they find a house they like!

amatecha 5y ago
Oh dang, for real? That's super weak if true! Also, no wonder they have hundreds of episodes... I'd be curious if you have any links/etc. on the subject to share!
- dylan604 5y ago
  It still amazes me that anyone still believes that the pictures they see on TV are in any way real. 100% of content on TV is fake. I used to say except the news, but now I'm not even able to trust that. If it's a commercial, definitely fake. If it's a TV show, 100% fake. Games shows shoot 5 episodes in a day, so when they say "last week's winner" it was last hour's.
  - bonestamp2 5y ago
    Talk Shows are the worst for this. Many of them have a rehearsal with the guests. It's no surprise that all of the guests have amazingly funny or interesting stories about every topic the host brings up. Once you know this is how they work, it's impossible to unsee it when you're watching them. I'm sorry I ruined talk shows for anyone here who may like them.
    - dylan604 5y ago
      Whether it is the preshow pre-interview or the post editing decisions, interviews are hard to trust as well now. I say this as someone that has been involved in all of it. However, the pre-interview is actually less about necessarily leading the interview but about helping the interview avoiding the dead air, blank stares, um, uhs, wells, type of stuff. Also, it is a great way to calm the nerves of those being interviewed if they are not normally in front of a camera which can be very intimidating to people telling a story they may already be nervous about. Trust me, you should be thankful for them. It's the post editing decisions that you can really get yourself into trouble. You can totally make a sane person sound insane, or totally change the interview. Anything that is not live must be questioned in how much you trust the producers to actually allow the interview to go out as it was rather than chopped up to fit the producer's agenda. If I was to be interviewed, I would make part of my conditions to the interview being that I would be allowed to have my own camera/audio that could record uninterrupted to be able to counter any shenanigans in the edit bay.
      - bonestamp2 5y ago
        > Trust me, you should be thankful for them. Yes, I actually don't mind the pre-interview. It is a sensible thing to do for a variety of reasons. The thing that makes me cringe is more the late night talk shows (not all of them mind you) where the guest provides the questions to the host because they (or their PR people) have written some anecdotes for those questions/topics.
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      Except Graham Norton Show, due to the amazing host. They willingly admit (even during the show) that they discuss whether a topic is fine with the guest beforehand, but Graham still brings out the best in people. And since there are several people on the show, he just lets them interact, unscripted.
  - compsciphd 5y ago
    sports!
    - dylan604 5y ago
      yeah, you're right, sports have never been rigged <eyeroll> you might of well have responded with the one word reply of "Wrestling!"
      - bob229 5y ago
        Grow up and take off the tinfoil hat
      - sellyme 5y ago
        You literally said "100%".
        dylan604 5y ago
        You honestly believe that the NBA has never had officials go soft on calls for their star players, or not call the rules for how many steps without putting the ball on the floor, or the whole under the ball carrying or whatever the rules are they decide not to call? You think no officials of any sport did or didn't make a call because of some bet somewhere? You think a sports player didn't make a catch? You think sports players aren't using performance enhancing drugs so that you might be entertained while they get rewards? Some people just really want to believe that television is real. It's just not healthy to have this much faith in TV.
        sellyme 5y ago
        > You honestly believe that the NBA has never [...] I've never watched the NBA, so I'd have no idea. > You think no officials of any sport did or didn't make a call because of some bet somewhere? Just so you're aware, there are numbers between 0% and 100%.
        5y ago
  - vizzier 5y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBwepkVurCI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBwepkVurCI This was fun from a while back. Love some charlie brooker
- flir 5y ago
  A quick google for "reality TV script writing courses" might help reset your reality.
- throwawayForMe2 5y ago
  Here is an article from a paper local to me. https://shelterislandreporter.timesreview.com/2016/12/14/shelter-island-homecoming/ https://shelterislandreporter.timesreview.com/2016/12/14/she... “… The segment was shot in July and it documents Ms. Larsen traversing the Island with her friend and realtor Roxanne Briggs as they tour three Shelter Island homes on the market in the $650,000 to $850,000 range. Spoiler alert: Ms. Larsen actually bought her Longview home back in 2015, a full year before the show was taped, so the outcome was a foregone conclusion by the time the “Island Life” crew came to town…”
walrus01 5y ago
Wait until people hear about the person I know who was a contestant on "The Bachelor", who is in fact already happily married. Reality TV is fake? The ocean is wet! Sewage is smelly! and other shocking news, film at 11.
- amatecha 5y ago
  Who was already married, the "bachelor" or the contestant trying to win his marriage? or both? lol
  - walrus01 5y ago
    I think it was the reverse-gender version of the show? With many male contenders and one woman. The person who is a friend-of-a-friend is a happily married man with two kids, but was "single" for the purpose of the show.
    - amatecha 5y ago
      Oohhh, "The Bachelorette" I guess. Yeah, doesn't surprise me...
adamredwoods 5y ago
https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/06/house-hunters-true-story-of-being-on-the-show.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/06/house-hunters-true-...
adrr 5y ago
I was on people court as one of the audience members that they interview after the case. I never saw the court case, they just grabbed random people off the street and gave them scenario of the case and asked for their opinion.
IgorPartola 5y ago
You mean the people who are like “I am an underwater basket weaver and my husband is a turtle dance instructor! Our budget is $800,000!”
- smegger001 5y ago
  I hate those shows with a burning passion my wife cant get enough of them. I have however gotten her to watch "This Old House" which actually shows real remodeling and home repair as opposed to sledgehammer porn fallowed by contrived drama between the hosts finishing with a walk through of a staged house where they advertise tacky furniture and overpriced appliances.
  - thioordc 5y ago
    After watching a couple episodes I figured it was fake but it’s fun too see all the houses! Fun way of seeing what an area is like

dchest 5y ago

Biking to the spaceport was in the promotional video released a few days before the flight (where they announced "astronauts"), obviously it couldn't be filmed on the flight day.

mc32 5y ago
But on the day of the flight on the stage he went along pretending he’d biked there.
- dchest 5y ago
  Hm, you're right: they even had a big "Earlier Today" label when they showed this piece live.

belter 5y ago

That was not the only fakery :-) At correct time: https://youtu.be/H6EbDCxotdg?t=488 https://youtu.be/H6EbDCxotdg?t=488

noisy_boy 5y ago
Thanks for sharing that - very enjoyable :)

Invictus0 5y ago

> It's like when Guy Fiery in his hot rod. Better than driving on a real road whilst talking to a camera off to the side, no? Every car scene in every movie and TV show is "fake" too, just so you know.

anonAndOn 5y ago
Steve McQueen wants you to hold his beer.[0] [0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJZ-BHBKyos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJZ-BHBKyos
- mc32 5y ago
  That's an awesome chase. Of course it's one of the top chase scenes with the orig. Gone in 60 S. What I like a bout Bullit is it documents some of the city from the 60s. The freeways were new, the embarcadero freeway monstrosity is up and the chase skips from Bernal to The Marina and back to the San Bruno Mountains in minutes! It's also kind of realistic. The peelouts and tire burnouts are realistic even the explosion at the end are not too over the top. Today's chases are like Star Wars pyrotechnics, little of it remotely believable.
- kwertyoowiyop 5y ago
  Apparently they had to do major repairs on the cars every night, because the jumps were so brutal. In one shot, you can see a large plume of oil appear as the car hits the ground and its oil pan is destroyed. :-O
  - anonAndOn 5y ago
    The Mustang was beat up & patched together and, yet, it still sold for $3.7M last year.[0] [0]https://bullitt.mecum.com/ https://bullitt.mecum.com/
labster 5y ago
Next you’re going to tell me that Smokey and the Bandit wasn’t a documentary? Such a deceitful world.

dimitrios1 5y ago

OK. That's it! I draw the line at Guy Fieri slander! That's not fakery. That's every classic car owner's dream. You get to show off the hot rod and not put miles on it. I am sure he does plenty of joyriding in that thing. Guy is anything but phony. He is actually one of thee more wholesome dudes on television ATM. We need more Guy Fieri's.

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lastofthemojito 5y ago
There have been so many seemingly respectable celebrities that we've gotten to know only to find out they're not really so great. I feel like Guy Fieri is the exact opposite - when I first saw him on TV I just knew this guy sucked. The car, the attitude, the hair - something just rubbed me the wrong way. But the more I've learned about him - his advocacy for gay marriage, his relief for restaurant workers during the pandemic, etc...I have to admit he seems like a good guy.
- nemo44x 5y ago
  What if his market research found that his viewers have a positive association with gay marriage and with restaurant workers and they could increase ratings by x-percent by making a public statement on these issues? For example the Nike corporation. Some groups have heaped praise on them for supporting Kaepernick and related social justice protests. But was it altruism? Of course not. Their market research simply showed that their customers tended to feel passionately about that issue. So they did the math and calculated that the revenue they’d lose by taking a public position was more than made up for with what they’d lose, and better than if they’d remain neutral too - as their founder said “It doesn’t matter how many people hate your brand as long as enough people love it.”. Consider too that Nike now sells a majority of their product overseas to a very American-skeptic market. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/when-it-comes-to-colin-kaepernick-the-flag-and-nike-its-just-business-11562161561 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/when-i...

jfrunyon 5y ago

They didn't say "oops, you're right, sorry". They said they "regret the error", as though they didn't intend to mislead people. And it's not like Guy Fieri; as far as I'm aware, he doesn't generally pretend it's live.

drzaiusapelord 5y ago

I'm not sure if this comparison really works at all. Virgin risks real human lives every flight. Guy risks maybe a little weight gain for his fans. Shows aren't rocket launches and have little in common. Guy plays a sort of reality tv fictional persona which is a vamped up version of his own personality. His show is entertainment and not a documentary. Of course, he's not driving through the continental USA constantly to get to restaurants. He's a normal middle-aged man who needs rest and vacation and time off. He sleeps in decent hotels with his staff and they fly to their next destination. Workers deserve, at least, basic amenities and asking people to live a real life cartoony character is a bit silly. He's not hotrodding around everywhere (which would be risky to him and put a lot of miles on a classic car). His production is probably two dozen people. Its a business and should be respected as one from a worker's perspective. All 'reality' tv shows are heavily scripted. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

crooked-v 5y ago

The Guy Fieri comparison seems like a weird one, since the actual subject of the show (that is, the restaurants) isn't faked. The hot rod and whatever goofy stuff comes with Fieri's persona is just a framing device around the actual establishments.

pessimizer 5y ago
You don't think the bicycling, Branson's persona, and the speech where he mentioned the bicycling are just framing devices around an engineering team pulling off a passeneger spaceflight? I'd be surprised if he even came up with the idea. They probably had a speech written for him, he got busy (or just felt out of it) and didn't bicycle there as planned, so they found some footage to release so they wouldn't have to change the speech. It's identical. In this thread, Guy Fieri fans jump out to declare his persona actually true and good; on another message board, Branson fans are doing the same thing, explaining how he's nothing like Fieri.

JackFr 5y ago

In fairness I don’t think anyone really thinks that Guy Fieri drives from city to city, and the car is a little bit if flair, not really germane to the content of the show.

youngtaff 5y ago

Also why (fake) cycle to a rocket launch in an attempt to reinforce eco credentials when rocket launches are anything but environmentally friendly!