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A $5 donation is at least tax deductible and comes with less overhead for the foundation to process.

gruez 5y ago
But firefox is developed by mozilla corporation, and donations to mozilla foundation doesn't fund firefox development. It goes to various advocacy/activism causes.
- Shish2k 5y ago
  Does mozilla corporation income necessarily go to firefox development though? (I worry that foundation income goes to activism and corporation income goes to the CEO’s pockets...)
  - boomboomsubban 5y ago
    While executives earn money like at any company, most of their budget is spent on Firefox. 2% of the Mozilla Corporation revenue goes back to the Mozilla Foundation.
    - pbhjpbhj 5y ago
      That downplays the remuneration of the principle Moz exec considerably AIUI. Mitchell Baker's remuneration from Moz was >$2M last I heard (a few years back [see eg https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html]), I can only assume it's more now. There was also a report Baker had a >$1M "stipend" (uncharitably a bung) from Google, though I've been unable to refute/corroborate it.
      - boomboomsubban 5y ago
        The last report is from 2017 I believe, a year when Mozilla's revenue hit an all time high $562 million. I personally doubt her salary is as high, despite her promotion and I believe the overall decrease in amount of executives that accompanied it. Seriously, "Chair pay is .5% of revenue" seems fair. And I haven't heard this "bung" rumor but Mozilla's revenue and usage were shrinking long before Baker became CEO in late 2019.
        pbhjpbhj 5y ago
        Personally I find the idea of a charity begging for cash whilst simultaneously paying outrageously large amounts of money to execs to be immoral. My limit on reasonable salary is 5 times the UK median graduate salary. If ".5% of revenue is reasonable" surely there's no excuse not to increase salaries of everyone working for a company -- pay everyone ludicrous sums as each salary is small! IIRC studies have shown exec salary doesn't correlate with increased company success, why should revenue come into it.
        boomboomsubban 5y ago
        The Mozilla Corporation isn't a charity, none of the donated money goes towards their salary. And their revenue is directly tied to a specific deal that the executives negotiated to get over $100 million per year more than their previous deal. They negotiated that despite the years of decreasing users your link showed. As for the rest, I also dislike standard corporate practices but Mozilla is more or less forced to follow them to compete at all in this world.
        pbhjpbhj 5y ago
        Do you really think Moz couldn't find someone to competently lead it for less than $2M? For an average USA engineering manager's salary, say?
        boomboomsubban 5y ago
        Right, let's get an engineering manager to run an international company. They just have to negotiate deals worth hundreds of millions of dollars, handle all of the licensing issues, manage a charity, manage hiring for areas including PR and translation, and more assorted tasks. And let's offer them well below market rate for such a position, though we'll still publicly disclose their salary so the entire world can criticize them for everything that goes wrong with the company. I'm sure they're flooded with great applicants for that gig. And again I doubt the CEO salary is still over $2 million. It would have been negotiated in April 2020 right before the layoffs.

But firefox is developed by mozilla corporation, and donations to mozilla foundation doesn't fund firefox development. It goes to various advocacy/activism causes.

Shish2k 5y ago
Does mozilla corporation income necessarily go to firefox development though? (I worry that foundation income goes to activism and corporation income goes to the CEO’s pockets...)
- boomboomsubban 5y ago
  While executives earn money like at any company, most of their budget is spent on Firefox. 2% of the Mozilla Corporation revenue goes back to the Mozilla Foundation.
  - pbhjpbhj 5y ago
    That downplays the remuneration of the principle Moz exec considerably AIUI. Mitchell Baker's remuneration from Moz was >$2M last I heard (a few years back [see eg https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html]), I can only assume it's more now. There was also a report Baker had a >$1M "stipend" (uncharitably a bung) from Google, though I've been unable to refute/corroborate it.
    - boomboomsubban 5y ago
      The last report is from 2017 I believe, a year when Mozilla's revenue hit an all time high $562 million. I personally doubt her salary is as high, despite her promotion and I believe the overall decrease in amount of executives that accompanied it. Seriously, "Chair pay is .5% of revenue" seems fair. And I haven't heard this "bung" rumor but Mozilla's revenue and usage were shrinking long before Baker became CEO in late 2019.
      - pbhjpbhj 5y ago
        Personally I find the idea of a charity begging for cash whilst simultaneously paying outrageously large amounts of money to execs to be immoral. My limit on reasonable salary is 5 times the UK median graduate salary. If ".5% of revenue is reasonable" surely there's no excuse not to increase salaries of everyone working for a company -- pay everyone ludicrous sums as each salary is small! IIRC studies have shown exec salary doesn't correlate with increased company success, why should revenue come into it.
        boomboomsubban 5y ago
        The Mozilla Corporation isn't a charity, none of the donated money goes towards their salary. And their revenue is directly tied to a specific deal that the executives negotiated to get over $100 million per year more than their previous deal. They negotiated that despite the years of decreasing users your link showed. As for the rest, I also dislike standard corporate practices but Mozilla is more or less forced to follow them to compete at all in this world.
        pbhjpbhj 5y ago
        Do you really think Moz couldn't find someone to competently lead it for less than $2M? For an average USA engineering manager's salary, say?
        boomboomsubban 5y ago
        Right, let's get an engineering manager to run an international company. They just have to negotiate deals worth hundreds of millions of dollars, handle all of the licensing issues, manage a charity, manage hiring for areas including PR and translation, and more assorted tasks. And let's offer them well below market rate for such a position, though we'll still publicly disclose their salary so the entire world can criticize them for everything that goes wrong with the company. I'm sure they're flooded with great applicants for that gig. And again I doubt the CEO salary is still over $2 million. It would have been negotiated in April 2020 right before the layoffs.