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I'm sure the response would be something like "oh we gave you a discount on it when you purchased it for $399 instead of $1399. It's all in the EULA you agreed

I'm sure the response would be something like "oh we gave you a discount on it when you purchased it for $399 instead of $1399. It's all in the EULA you agreed to when you first got your device."

HelixEndeavor 5y ago
That's exactly the logic Amazon uses for their Fire tablets. You can get them cheaper if you agree to have ads baked into the lock screen at a firmware level.
- ianferrel 5y ago
  Yes, but it's up front and obvious, not hidden in legalese or added in a future update. That seems fine to me.
  - Baeocystin 5y ago
    I agree. I have zero problems with my subsidized-by-ads Kindle, because I knew what I was getting when I bought it in the first place. And, to Amazon's credit, the ads are unobtrusive. You get an ad for another book on your lockscreen; not a big deal, and most importantly, you are never, ever interrupted once you've unlocked the device. If Amazon ever switched to an intrusive-ad model, I'd pitch the thing in the trash without a second thought.
    - genewitch 5y ago
      I bought a third gen Kindle I think, ad supported, no keyboard, for $30. This year I was charging it while reading and got up and kicked the cord, causing the kindle to smash into my heel, breaking the display. I was able to get the latest Paperwhite, trading in the old, broken Kindle, for $58. If it lasts as long as my old one (8 years) I'll be fine with that. I don't use it often, I keep a lot of reference and old books (like Raymond Chandler), I stopped buying Kindle books after three consecutive books were missing the last chapter or so. The kindle windows conversion program (Kindle preview 3) will handle nearly everything that the "email yourself a book @kindle.com" won't, and for everything else there's calibre. I had a book and a couple of palm pilots and other portable LCD screened things over a decade ago, and the kindle is the best for the price I get them at.
- ripply 5y ago
  This also applies to their Kindle devices, I believe removing the ads cost $20.
- asddubs 5y ago
  incidentally I've found that if you don't activate the device and just add books via calibre, they don't actually show any ads on the reduced price version
t-writescode 5y ago
Well, in past experience of IAP and things like the Kindle, it’s not $1000; but this does already exist and I have paid for it.
acdha 5y ago
That’s already the case with Kindles and similar cases like the smart TVs subsidized by reselling your viewing history.
Dylan16807 5y ago
Even with that, making it upfront and a choice at least invites competition. I can sort by ad-free price, or note that a different manufacturer charges $40 to remove the garbage.

I'm sure the response would be something like "oh we gave you a discount on it when you purchased it for $399 instead of $1399. It's all in the EULA you agreed to when you first got your device."

HelixEndeavor 5y ago

That's exactly the logic Amazon uses for their Fire tablets. You can get them cheaper if you agree to have ads baked into the lock screen at a firmware level.

ianferrel 5y ago
Yes, but it's up front and obvious, not hidden in legalese or added in a future update. That seems fine to me.
- Baeocystin 5y ago
  I agree. I have zero problems with my subsidized-by-ads Kindle, because I knew what I was getting when I bought it in the first place. And, to Amazon's credit, the ads are unobtrusive. You get an ad for another book on your lockscreen; not a big deal, and most importantly, you are never, ever interrupted once you've unlocked the device. If Amazon ever switched to an intrusive-ad model, I'd pitch the thing in the trash without a second thought.
  - genewitch 5y ago
    I bought a third gen Kindle I think, ad supported, no keyboard, for $30. This year I was charging it while reading and got up and kicked the cord, causing the kindle to smash into my heel, breaking the display. I was able to get the latest Paperwhite, trading in the old, broken Kindle, for $58. If it lasts as long as my old one (8 years) I'll be fine with that. I don't use it often, I keep a lot of reference and old books (like Raymond Chandler), I stopped buying Kindle books after three consecutive books were missing the last chapter or so. The kindle windows conversion program (Kindle preview 3) will handle nearly everything that the "email yourself a book @kindle.com" won't, and for everything else there's calibre. I had a book and a couple of palm pilots and other portable LCD screened things over a decade ago, and the kindle is the best for the price I get them at.
ripply 5y ago
This also applies to their Kindle devices, I believe removing the ads cost $20.
asddubs 5y ago
incidentally I've found that if you don't activate the device and just add books via calibre, they don't actually show any ads on the reduced price version

t-writescode 5y ago

Well, in past experience of IAP and things like the Kindle, it’s not $1000; but this does already exist and I have paid for it.

acdha 5y ago

That’s already the case with Kindles and similar cases like the smart TVs subsidized by reselling your viewing history.

Dylan16807 5y ago

Even with that, making it upfront and a choice at least invites competition. I can sort by ad-free price, or note that a different manufacturer charges $40 to remove the garbage.