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Since the daily cases are now up to where they were before the vaccine. Its pretty clear the original promise of the vaccine has been a giant failure. And serio

Since the daily cases are now up to where they were before the vaccine. Its pretty clear the original promise of the vaccine has been a giant failure. And serious erosion of trust with major medical and political implications. A more sensible approach would be have the at risk group vaccinate. And let the young and strong opt for natural immunity, which it turns out is superior and much more longer lasting anyway. In any case, since, viruses prey on the weak with compromised immune systems. This should be compared to a nation wide weight loss program. Eating healthy, proper sleep and dental health, and managing stress levels. Instead we got lockdowns with gyms shutdown, and people forced to sit inside away from the sun, scared and stressed.

jimmyjazz14 5y ago
I don't think the vaccines have been a failure at all, they still prevent hospitalization and deaths from COVID quite well, and breakthroughs were predicted to be fairly common from the start. I think what has been a failure is the public messaging about the vaccines and COVID in general. That said, I do agree that we need to move on from the fear based approach to life many have held on to even after getting vaccinated.
ac2u 5y ago
>natural immunity, which it turns out is superior and much more longer lasting anyway where are you getting this from?
- disgruntledphd2 5y ago
  I don't know, but lots of people seem to claim this (without citations).
  - dukeofdoom 5y ago
    "This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection" https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...
    - disgruntledphd2 5y ago
      Thanks! That paper is really weird, just from the abstract. The conclusion "natural immunity etc" kinda comes out of nowhere. It'll be interesting to see the quality of it when I read the whole thing.
    - ac2u 5y ago
      Ah, I was thinking it was that paper. This is the conclusion, pasted: >This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant. So two things: 1) The vaccine still helps those even with acquired natural immunity. 2) The study is comparing the vaccine targeted towards the original Wuhan variant against a moving target. So I don't see why we should discount vaccines and rely on natural immunity when we can still update the vaccines to join the fight against new strains and collect more data. Obviously there's still great value in this study in perhaps justifying delaying doses for people who've had a previous infection in order to get more equitable distribution of vaccines.

jimmyjazz14 5y ago

I don't think the vaccines have been a failure at all, they still prevent hospitalization and deaths from COVID quite well, and breakthroughs were predicted to be fairly common from the start. I think what has been a failure is the public messaging about the vaccines and COVID in general. That said, I do agree that we need to move on from the fear based approach to life many have held on to even after getting vaccinated.

ac2u 5y ago

>natural immunity, which it turns out is superior and much more longer lasting anyway where are you getting this from?

disgruntledphd2 5y ago
I don't know, but lots of people seem to claim this (without citations).
- dukeofdoom 5y ago
  "This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection" https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...
  - disgruntledphd2 5y ago
    Thanks! That paper is really weird, just from the abstract. The conclusion "natural immunity etc" kinda comes out of nowhere. It'll be interesting to see the quality of it when I read the whole thing.
  - ac2u 5y ago
    Ah, I was thinking it was that paper. This is the conclusion, pasted: >This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant. So two things: 1) The vaccine still helps those even with acquired natural immunity. 2) The study is comparing the vaccine targeted towards the original Wuhan variant against a moving target. So I don't see why we should discount vaccines and rely on natural immunity when we can still update the vaccines to join the fight against new strains and collect more data. Obviously there's still great value in this study in perhaps justifying delaying doses for people who've had a previous infection in order to get more equitable distribution of vaccines.