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Also what makes a video marked as adult content is becoming absurd. Last month, a french youtuber was required to put pixels on a doom 1 screenshot. Pixels on p

Also what makes a video marked as adult content is becoming absurd. Last month, a french youtuber was required to put pixels on a doom 1 screenshot. Pixels on pixels. Even more absurd when the ads are not censored the same way, and hence can be way more adult oriented than the video. I never though I would see the day where internet services would do something worse than TV. But as a lot of youtubers reported, there is not much alternative since youtube: • is the only place where you'll get such a big audience, and with powerful discovery mechanisms in place to make people discover your content • is one of the few players actually giving you money for your content • can handle millions of viewers in the first 5 minutes a popular video is released • has a very low barrier of entry for consumers

solarkraft 5y ago
The situation has luckily gotten a bit better during the last years. I see LBRY and Floatplane slowly, but steadily picking up momentum. So far the breadth of content on Youtube is unparalleled, but there is some hope that may change. Maybe Twitch will eventually get more into hosting video, but I wouldn’t exactly say they’re much better.
- busymom0 5y ago
  Odysee (LBRY) is a pretty good alternative and has a good UI plus variety of content. What's floatplane?
  - colejohnson66 5y ago
    A video subscription service created by Linus Media Group (LinusTechTips). Creators put their content ad-free on Floatplane, but can also put it other places (such as YouTube, and with ads). The users pay for the ad-free videos.
    - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
      Honestly, Linus is a seal of trust by itself at this point, so if they manage to keep up, they may gain traction.
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - 0cVlTeIATBs 5y ago
        Can you explain why you think Linus/LMG/Floatplane's service is more trustworthy than YouTube? I do not share that opinion. My starting position is that he is guided by business pressures not terribly different from YouTube's, from the following anecdata: I understand Linus started Floatplane because his business relies on YouTube, a single point of failure With PIA/Kape, he left whether or not to accept advertising dollars up to a user vote in YouTube's chat. It came out tied at first, and then he went to the Floatplane stream to break the tie, which ended in favor of accepting PIA advertising In live streams he has spoken somewhat negatively about "free speech" advocates I think Floatplane will simply go where the dollars go in the long run, and I see little in the way of moral conviction that they would e.g. fight government regulations or payment processor demands.
        busymom0 5y ago
        Agreed. Their terms of service is basically the same as YouTube. Just seems like a cash cow for him.
    - busymom0 5y ago
      Ah, thanks for replying. I do trust him so hoping he can do well with the platform. Edit: floatplane's TOS seems like they aren't any better than YouTube unfortunately.
      - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
        Can you tell us more?
    - sofixa 5y ago
      > Creators put their content ad-free on Floatplane, but can also put it other places (such as YouTube, and with ads). The users pay for the ad-free videos So just like Nebula? It'd have been better if all the fleeing YouTubers had centralised on one alternative service, most people won't bother for multiple subscriptions.
  - teitoklien 5y ago
    Floatplane is a youtube alt Subscription based service started by linus tech tips guys.
zoobab 5y ago
FTP was great.
gipp 5y ago
Those rules are all due to legal settlements with the government anyway; in the event an alternative did pop up they'd end up having to do the same or very similar things once they're big enough to attract regulatory attention.
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago
  Yeah, as long as it's legal to show exploding heads to children, but a crime to display a nipple, things are never going to be sane. Legal in the US that's said. Because we get the censorship in our countries too even if the law is different.
grishka 5y ago
I've seen screenshots from Russian youtube where advertisers bypassed automatic moderation by confusing Google's image recognition and substituting letters in words. For example, https://twitter.com/wylsacom/status/1296396951550930949 https://twitter.com/wylsacom/status/1296396951550930949 (NSFW) But I guess this is totally fine because it earns Google money in the end.
PragmaticPulp 5y ago
> I never though I would see the day where internet services would do something worse than TV. Don’t blame YouTube for this. It’s not YouTube making the decision to require ID or credit card. They’re complying with the regulations. That’s why this restriction is only in a single regulatory region, not a global requirement. There’s a culture war brewing around internet services with user-generated content, including YouTube. One side wants more freedom to view and share content. One side wants much more censorship of anything they don’t want to see (or, more commonly, things they don’t want other people to see). This ranges from dangerous misinformation to low-grade objectionable content like video game screen recordings. The strangest part about this internet user-generated content war is that many people have taken both sides because they just like to hate big tech platforms.
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago
  But the censorship is global. I see it in France, even if there is no legal reason for it. I've seen plenty of male dicks or female breast on old french movies as a kid, it was not considered immoral. Also I don't recall my TV requesting my credit card to watch content as a kid.
  - Mindwipe 5y ago
    The EU is where the legal requirement is. YouTube isn't asking for this in other territories.
danielscrubs 5y ago
Big companies getting bigger (the effect of scale) is the cornerstone of my NASDAQ portfolio. I don't like it, but I don't really expect it change.
datenarsch 5y ago
Well that is the problem though...back in the day YouTube was a fun place where people exchanged ideas, discussed their hobbies and so on. It wasn't about money at all. These days 99% of people on YouTube are only trying to grow their channel to make money off it like that is the only motivation to do anything in life. Money just corrupts everything it touches.
baud147258 5y ago
> Last month, a french youtuber was required to put pixels on a doom 1 screenshot. Pixels on pixels. if it was JDG's video on Duke Nukem [0], it was to put pixels on the strippers of Duke Nukem 3D, so not exactly the same thing. I really liked his follow up video [1], where another issue was how hard it was to deal with the YT content moderation team [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-or4WhpXx_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-or4WhpXx_k (non-censored) or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74fG-8jPsRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74fG-8jPsRw (censored) [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb-Tk0N8XzA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb-Tk0N8XzA
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago
  You are right. Here is the image I'm talking about: https://i.imgur.com/oXAGiiU.png https://i.imgur.com/oXAGiiU.png Protect the children people! The part where he is asked to censor an arm is also hilarious.
t0bia_s 5y ago
So because they pay you and force to play by their rules it doesn't mean that you have to accept it. Just don't use it. Platform die eventually.

solarkraft 5y ago

The situation has luckily gotten a bit better during the last years. I see LBRY and Floatplane slowly, but steadily picking up momentum. So far the breadth of content on Youtube is unparalleled, but there is some hope that may change. Maybe Twitch will eventually get more into hosting video, but I wouldn’t exactly say they’re much better.

busymom0 5y ago
Odysee (LBRY) is a pretty good alternative and has a good UI plus variety of content. What's floatplane?
- colejohnson66 5y ago
  A video subscription service created by Linus Media Group (LinusTechTips). Creators put their content ad-free on Floatplane, but can also put it other places (such as YouTube, and with ads). The users pay for the ad-free videos.
  - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
    Honestly, Linus is a seal of trust by itself at this point, so if they manage to keep up, they may gain traction.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - 0cVlTeIATBs 5y ago
      Can you explain why you think Linus/LMG/Floatplane's service is more trustworthy than YouTube? I do not share that opinion. My starting position is that he is guided by business pressures not terribly different from YouTube's, from the following anecdata: I understand Linus started Floatplane because his business relies on YouTube, a single point of failure With PIA/Kape, he left whether or not to accept advertising dollars up to a user vote in YouTube's chat. It came out tied at first, and then he went to the Floatplane stream to break the tie, which ended in favor of accepting PIA advertising In live streams he has spoken somewhat negatively about "free speech" advocates I think Floatplane will simply go where the dollars go in the long run, and I see little in the way of moral conviction that they would e.g. fight government regulations or payment processor demands.
      - busymom0 5y ago
        Agreed. Their terms of service is basically the same as YouTube. Just seems like a cash cow for him.
  - busymom0 5y ago
    Ah, thanks for replying. I do trust him so hoping he can do well with the platform. Edit: floatplane's TOS seems like they aren't any better than YouTube unfortunately.
    - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
      Can you tell us more?
  - sofixa 5y ago
    > Creators put their content ad-free on Floatplane, but can also put it other places (such as YouTube, and with ads). The users pay for the ad-free videos So just like Nebula? It'd have been better if all the fleeing YouTubers had centralised on one alternative service, most people won't bother for multiple subscriptions.
- teitoklien 5y ago
  Floatplane is a youtube alt Subscription based service started by linus tech tips guys.

zoobab 5y ago

FTP was great.

gipp 5y ago

Those rules are all due to legal settlements with the government anyway; in the event an alternative did pop up they'd end up having to do the same or very similar things once they're big enough to attract regulatory attention.

BiteCode_dev 5y ago
Yeah, as long as it's legal to show exploding heads to children, but a crime to display a nipple, things are never going to be sane. Legal in the US that's said. Because we get the censorship in our countries too even if the law is different.

grishka 5y ago

I've seen screenshots from Russian youtube where advertisers bypassed automatic moderation by confusing Google's image recognition and substituting letters in words. For example, https://twitter.com/wylsacom/status/1296396951550930949 https://twitter.com/wylsacom/status/1296396951550930949 (NSFW) But I guess this is totally fine because it earns Google money in the end.

PragmaticPulp 5y ago

> I never though I would see the day where internet services would do something worse than TV. Don’t blame YouTube for this. It’s not YouTube making the decision to require ID or credit card. They’re complying with the regulations. That’s why this restriction is only in a single regulatory region, not a global requirement. There’s a culture war brewing around internet services with user-generated content, including YouTube. One side wants more freedom to view and share content. One side wants much more censorship of anything they don’t want to see (or, more commonly, things they don’t want other people to see). This ranges from dangerous misinformation to low-grade objectionable content like video game screen recordings. The strangest part about this internet user-generated content war is that many people have taken both sides because they just like to hate big tech platforms.

BiteCode_dev 5y ago
But the censorship is global. I see it in France, even if there is no legal reason for it. I've seen plenty of male dicks or female breast on old french movies as a kid, it was not considered immoral. Also I don't recall my TV requesting my credit card to watch content as a kid.
- Mindwipe 5y ago
  The EU is where the legal requirement is. YouTube isn't asking for this in other territories.

danielscrubs 5y ago

Big companies getting bigger (the effect of scale) is the cornerstone of my NASDAQ portfolio. I don't like it, but I don't really expect it change.

datenarsch 5y ago

Well that is the problem though...back in the day YouTube was a fun place where people exchanged ideas, discussed their hobbies and so on. It wasn't about money at all. These days 99% of people on YouTube are only trying to grow their channel to make money off it like that is the only motivation to do anything in life. Money just corrupts everything it touches.

baud147258 5y ago

> Last month, a french youtuber was required to put pixels on a doom 1 screenshot. Pixels on pixels. if it was JDG's video on Duke Nukem [0], it was to put pixels on the strippers of Duke Nukem 3D, so not exactly the same thing. I really liked his follow up video [1], where another issue was how hard it was to deal with the YT content moderation team [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-or4WhpXx_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-or4WhpXx_k (non-censored) or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74fG-8jPsRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74fG-8jPsRw (censored) [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb-Tk0N8XzA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb-Tk0N8XzA

BiteCode_dev 5y ago
You are right. Here is the image I'm talking about: https://i.imgur.com/oXAGiiU.png https://i.imgur.com/oXAGiiU.png Protect the children people! The part where he is asked to censor an arm is also hilarious.

t0bia_s 5y ago

So because they pay you and force to play by their rules it doesn't mean that you have to accept it. Just don't use it. Platform die eventually.