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Until you ask for help and the very first response is something like "Ubuntu is a very bad example of a linux distro."[0], or "I've never had these problems wit

Until you ask for help and the very first response is something like "Ubuntu is a very bad example of a linux distro."[0], or "I've never had these problems with Arch", or any other variation of "try a different distro", which is incredibly common advice in the Linux Desktop community. Not to mention that if you're googling for help on a problem, there's a good chance you'll run into posts about dozens of other distros so, if you want to use their advice, you have to understand the differences enough to know how to translate it to fit yours. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28367789 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28367789

kadoban 5y ago
If people give that advice, ignore it. No matter what, you're going to get some unhelpful advice. Comes with the territory. Similarly, just include your distro in any searches.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  > If people give that advice, ignore it. No matter what, you're going to get some unhelpful advice. Comes with the territory. Answers like that are very common, meaning that you commonly get unhelpful advice. But worse, those people get angry when you don't accept their advice. The Linux Desktop community has a serious problem with letting these kinds of people continue to represent them. > Similarly, just include your distro in any searches. Doesn't work very well for a few reasons. For one, Google sucks at actually delivering results that you asked for even with Verbatim. Second, a lot of times no one has had that problem on your distro specifically, or hasn't reported it, or hasn't received any help even if they did.
  - phendrenad2 5y ago
    In fact, answers like that are not just common, they're entirely valid and usually the only answers. Switching from X to Y is unreasonably effective in the open-source world. Nobody knows how to fix anything, because things are usually poorly documented, change radically each version, and everyone you'll meet has a wildly different Linux setup than you. So people recommend it. It's like the Monty Hall problem, except the thing you want (the goat) keeps changing. Problem A? Switch from X to Y. Y causes problem B? Switch from Y to Z. Continue until you tire of switching enough to settle on something that mostly works for you.
  - runjake 5y ago
    > Answers like that are very common, meaning that you commonly get unhelpful advice. But worse, those people get angry when you don't accept their advice. The Linux Desktop community has a serious problem with letting these kinds of people continue to represent them. I think this is the problem with the tech community at large. I encounter this whether I'm browsing for info for Linux, macOS, or Windows or networking or programming or anything else. I don't think its up to the "Linux Desktop community" to police this more than any other community needs policing.
  - simion314 5y ago
    >The Linux Desktop community has a serious problem with letting these kinds of people continue to represent them. I am not letting this fanboys bully people, but what else can we don, I can't waste my time guarding forums for "U use Arch " dudes and "calm them down" , we all were at that point sometime in our live where the programming language/framework/OS/music was a big part of our identity = some of us got wiser , you need to remember this people exist and keep your distance.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
      I think that if the community cares about its image it needs to take a more proactive approach to keeping these kinds of people from behaving like that. Otherwise they will always be associated with that behavior.
      - simion314 5y ago
        It is hard though, I personally stopped following Linux podcast or subreddits , so I will try here in this thread to stop some fanboy reactions and provide a balanced response but I am not sure there is too much a regular person with no fame can do. Apple community is as toxic too, if you mention a hardware issue(like the keyboards) you get accused you did not used ir correctly or you are paid to do bad publicity. Then you have fanboys claming how Apple does good thing X but misslead you by not mentioning that Apple only does X because a judge forced them to do X (ex Apple was forced to replace bad hardware by judges after lawsuits or inform you that you phone is crippled)... for this people Apple is perfect. My point is that there is always a very loud number of fanboys that is hard to shut them up(Apple,Linux, Tesla, Rust). I think people tried to make fun of "I use Arch" and "rewrite it on Rust" crowd that some people calm down but I think those are few and most of them are just a bit less loud. If some Linux user that still reads linux related reddit please downvote and try if possible to respond to fanboys , espeically if they are of-topic,
hammyhavoc 5y ago
Forums full of casuals with nothing to offer but opinions and zero solutions are not the place to seek help.

kadoban 5y ago

If people give that advice, ignore it. No matter what, you're going to get some unhelpful advice. Comes with the territory. Similarly, just include your distro in any searches.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
> If people give that advice, ignore it. No matter what, you're going to get some unhelpful advice. Comes with the territory. Answers like that are very common, meaning that you commonly get unhelpful advice. But worse, those people get angry when you don't accept their advice. The Linux Desktop community has a serious problem with letting these kinds of people continue to represent them. > Similarly, just include your distro in any searches. Doesn't work very well for a few reasons. For one, Google sucks at actually delivering results that you asked for even with Verbatim. Second, a lot of times no one has had that problem on your distro specifically, or hasn't reported it, or hasn't received any help even if they did.
- phendrenad2 5y ago
  In fact, answers like that are not just common, they're entirely valid and usually the only answers. Switching from X to Y is unreasonably effective in the open-source world. Nobody knows how to fix anything, because things are usually poorly documented, change radically each version, and everyone you'll meet has a wildly different Linux setup than you. So people recommend it. It's like the Monty Hall problem, except the thing you want (the goat) keeps changing. Problem A? Switch from X to Y. Y causes problem B? Switch from Y to Z. Continue until you tire of switching enough to settle on something that mostly works for you.
- runjake 5y ago
  > Answers like that are very common, meaning that you commonly get unhelpful advice. But worse, those people get angry when you don't accept their advice. The Linux Desktop community has a serious problem with letting these kinds of people continue to represent them. I think this is the problem with the tech community at large. I encounter this whether I'm browsing for info for Linux, macOS, or Windows or networking or programming or anything else. I don't think its up to the "Linux Desktop community" to police this more than any other community needs policing.
- simion314 5y ago
  >The Linux Desktop community has a serious problem with letting these kinds of people continue to represent them. I am not letting this fanboys bully people, but what else can we don, I can't waste my time guarding forums for "U use Arch " dudes and "calm them down" , we all were at that point sometime in our live where the programming language/framework/OS/music was a big part of our identity = some of us got wiser , you need to remember this people exist and keep your distance.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    I think that if the community cares about its image it needs to take a more proactive approach to keeping these kinds of people from behaving like that. Otherwise they will always be associated with that behavior.
    - simion314 5y ago
      It is hard though, I personally stopped following Linux podcast or subreddits , so I will try here in this thread to stop some fanboy reactions and provide a balanced response but I am not sure there is too much a regular person with no fame can do. Apple community is as toxic too, if you mention a hardware issue(like the keyboards) you get accused you did not used ir correctly or you are paid to do bad publicity. Then you have fanboys claming how Apple does good thing X but misslead you by not mentioning that Apple only does X because a judge forced them to do X (ex Apple was forced to replace bad hardware by judges after lawsuits or inform you that you phone is crippled)... for this people Apple is perfect. My point is that there is always a very loud number of fanboys that is hard to shut them up(Apple,Linux, Tesla, Rust). I think people tried to make fun of "I use Arch" and "rewrite it on Rust" crowd that some people calm down but I think those are few and most of them are just a bit less loud. If some Linux user that still reads linux related reddit please downvote and try if possible to respond to fanboys , espeically if they are of-topic,

hammyhavoc 5y ago

Forums full of casuals with nothing to offer but opinions and zero solutions are not the place to seek help.